I think I have A.D.D. Leadfoot seems to be working well. As is every other old glide/opengly game that I have. So I decided to upgrade. I just ordered a new msi kt3 ultra2 deluxe off of Ebay, a Barton 2600 amd cpu, and a new stick of ddr pc3200.

Does anyone have any experience with this motherboard? I looked around for awhile on old forums etc, and it looks like one of the last 3.3 capable motherboards.

On a side note. Im going to be selling the new msi kt266 ddr socket A motherboard that I have.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230342623614

I have it listed as shipping to usa only. But, if one of you guys would like to buy it. Id be happy to ship it overseas.   ;)

sb306 wrote on 12.05.09 at 11:33:57:

I think I have A.D.D. Leadfoot seems to be working well. As is every other old glide/opengly game that I have. So I decided to upgrade. I just ordered a new msi kt3 ultra2 deluxe off of Ebay, a Barton 2600 amd cpu, and a new stick of ddr pc3200. Does anyone have any experience with this motherboard?

I ran one for years in RAID mirror, I could never confirm it ran video boards in 3.3v mode and it would alarm when a Voodoo 3 was installed.

Depends on the revisions afair. There were definitely newer revisions, which had non-3,3V-compatible southbridges. Check before usage ;)

I had no problems with mine-just make sure it is the ultra2 revision (not ultra2 aru etc) and you will be fine.

The slot is compatible. Would the board not be compatible even if it has a compatible agp slot?

Here is the board if anyone can tell. Thanks for the help guys.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&item=180356210350

sb306 wrote on 13.05.09 at 11:38:38:

The slot is compatible. Would the board not be compatible even if it has a compatible agp slot?

Maybe.

gdonovan wrote on 13.05.09 at 12:11:17:

sb306 wrote on 13.05.09 at 11:38:38: The slot is compatible. Would the board not be compatible even if it has a compatible agp slot? Maybe.

haha. I should have known it wouldnt be that easy. Crap, theres a kt3 ultra aru, kt3 ultra, kt3 ultra2-br, kt3 ultra2-r. Then theres a ms-6380e(kt333), a ms-6380le(kt266).  :o

yup,welcome to the revision hell.

an agp universal slot itself does not automatically guarantee compatibility with 3.3V cards..watch out.

I also decided to upgrade my K6-III 600Mhz, just for playing some of the newer Glide games (and for actually using the machine too), so I went for Abit KT7A V1.3 with a mobile barton 2600+. Unfortunately, barton seems to have been defective, so now I'm waiting for a replacement.

The good thing about this combo is that Voodoo is 100% supported on all revisions (and has ISA slot!). The bad thing is that Athlon XP is officially supported only on Rev 1.3 and the ugly is that the board over-volts everything except for 12V rail :-)

Are you sure that the cpu is defective ? I don't think that KT7A supports Barton, especially a mobile version. KT133A chipset barely supports first Athlon XPs(Palomino and T-Bred), it might take a Barton, but it would be safe to test that cpu somewhere else before saying it's bad  ;)

RaverX wrote on 16.05.09 at 15:02:00:

Are you sure that the cpu is defective ? I don't think that KT7A supports Barton, especially a mobile version. KT133A chipset barely supports first Athlon XPs(Palomino and T-Bred), it might take a Barton, but it would be safe to test that cpu somewhere else before saying it's bad  ;)

Well I said it seems to be defective, couse of these reasons:
1) every revision of KT7A (even V 1.0) can at least POST with a barton:
http://www.motherboardpoint.com/kt7a-raid-barton-xp-2500-333-works-ok-t437.html
(note that this is not the only guy on the net with successful barton experience :P There are many, many others according to google)


2) mobile barton and a normal one are 1:1 the same architecture and pin-to-pin compatible. Mobile ones are just cherry picked ones that work on lower voltage:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athlon#Barton_and_Thorton


Quote:

Mobile Athlon XPs (Athlon XP-M) are identical to normal Athlon XPs, apart from running at lower voltages, often lower bus speeds, and not being multiplier-locked.

Therefore, CPU must have been defective.  8-)

It's not that easy ;)

It's correct, that Boards based on the KT133A work with Bartons, I have a system with an Asus A7V133 + Barton @ 2,5GHz running myself ;)

But you're wrong with your theory about mobile CPUs - some old Boards / Chipsets don't work with CPUs that have an unlocked multiplier, they just don't work or they take a low Multiplier, that can't be changed.

But if I'm not mistaking, the CPU in my System is a Mobile version, too :D But I don't remember exactly though, it's been some time since I had it opened..

Tweakstone wrote on 17.05.09 at 18:08:33:

It's not that easy ;) It's correct, that Boards based on the KT133A work with Bartons, I have a system with an Asus A7V133 + Barton @ 2,5GHz running myself ;) But you're wrong with your theory about mobile CPUs - some old Boards / Chipsets don't work with CPUs that have an unlocked multiplier, they just don't work or they take a low Multiplier, that can't be changed. But if I'm not mistaking, the CPU in my System is a Mobile version, too :D But I don't remember exactly though, it's been some time since I had it opened..

Judging from the info on the net, I would say that they work perfectly well with unlocked multipliers; the only thing is the cross-reference for it:
http://mysite.verizon.net/res0exft/Multiplier_cross_reference.htm
So a mobile barton with a base multiplier >13 would use 7x multiplier for 15x effectively.

I'm just telling from my personal experience ;)

The higher multipliers on my A7V133 only work "hardwired" (Socket pins connected on the back of the board).

In every other setting, it will only use the lower multipliers.

Today I received feedback from the seller of the Barton I've returned. He tested it and confirmed that it doesnt work. So CPU *was* defective :-)

Im waiting now for the Barton 1.35V ordered from China, but since it takes an eternity to get here so I also bought a tbred 2400+ to fill the gap until that one comes  ;) Tomorrow Im hopefully installing Tbred with Thermaltake Big Typhoon. Then I'm off for some serious V5 5500 testing  8-) Erhm... Playing...  8-)

Well, I got the kt3 ultra2. I couldnt find any info in the manual. Except for the fact that it supports 1x, 2x, and 4x. No voltage info though.
I set it up with power and hooked up a v3 pci. In the bios it had options for "auto, 1.5, 1.6, 1.7 volts" IIRC.

So anyways, I said screw it and installed the 5500 agp. It went to the bios screen and started windows no problem. Then I ran powerslide in glide and it worked great. I was able to run the barton at almost 2ghz at about a 170mhz fsb. That should be a good speed boost over the palomino that im running at about 1.7ghz(about a 143fsb).

Im going to check the specs on the barton and see what it is "supposed" to run at. But, I think to run faster I have to flash the bios to a newer version.

I installed the kt3 in my tower and hooked everything up. I was having some trouble at first. But it seems to be working well.

I got the fsb up to 174 with the stock 11x multiplier. It looks like its locked. Whenever I change the multi in the bios, it defaults to 9.5. With a 9.5x I was able to run a 191 fsb  ;) .

Im running the sisoft burn in wizard right now. With high stress activated haha. It seems to be running at the 174 fsb without any problems.

Hopefully Ill be happy with this for awhile.   ;)

Edit: I have a question though. At 9.5x I can get to aq 194 fsb and it seems stable. At 11.5x I can run a 174 fsb. What do you think would be better for the 5500 voodoo card and the older games? It looks like the memory bandwidth and cpu arithmetic benchmarks are slightly higher with the 9.5x multiplier and the 194 fsb.

sb306 wrote on 24.05.09 at 04:43:08:

I installed the kt3 in my tower and hooked everything up. I was having some trouble at first. But it seems to be working well. I got the fsb up to 174 with the stock 11x multiplier. It looks like its locked. Whenever I change the multi in the bios, it defaults to 9.5. With a 9.5x I was able to run a 191 fsb  ;) . Im running the sisoft burn in wizard right now. With high stress activated haha. It seems to be running at the 174 fsb without any problems. Hopefully Ill be happy with this for awhile.   ;) Edit: I have a question though. At 9.5x I can get to aq 194 fsb and it seems stable. At 11.5x I can run a 174 fsb. What do you think would be better for the 5500 voodoo card and the older games? It looks like the memory bandwidth and cpu arithmetic benchmarks are slightly higher with the 9.5x multiplier and the 194 fsb.

I always liked the idea of getting FSB as high as possible. With CPU higher then 1.4Ghz V5 5500 is already topped. So the next thing would be to max out memory, and with 194Mhz FSB you are doing just that. I would keep it at that setting myself.

I know from my own experience that FSB (memory) is extremely important for some games. For a recent example, in Warcraft III (DOTA) I have some laggs from time to time on Abit KT7A and 2100Mhz (20x105Mhz). As the game performs exactly the same at 640x480 (lowest quality) and 1280x1024 (max quality) (both 16bit) it leads to the conlusion that the video card itselft is not a bottle neck, but something else. As the CPU is well over the minimum requirements, its qute safe to assume that FSB and my SDRAM are lagging behind.

I'm waiting for a newer revision of the Mainboard and a better CPU so that I will be able to run it at 133MHz FSB - that should clear things up a bit.

But don't forget about PCI ang AGP buses :> When You have FSB 174MHz, then you have 34,8MHz on PCI, and AGP 69,9MHz. When You have FSB 191MHz, then you have 38,2MHz on PCI, and AGP 76,4MHz. On FSB 191, PCI Clock is very high, so IDE controller can doing errors.

(Sorry for my english ;) )

elfuego wrote on 25.05.09 at 19:14:16:

sb306 wrote on 24.05.09 at 04:43:08: I installed the kt3 in my tower and hooked everything up. I was having some trouble at first. But it seems to be working well. I got the fsb up to 174 with the stock 11x multiplier. It looks like its locked. Whenever I change the multi in the bios, it defaults to 9.5. With a 9.5x I was able to run a 191 fsb  ;) . Im running the sisoft burn in wizard right now. With high stress activated haha. It seems to be running at the 174 fsb without any problems. Hopefully Ill be happy with this for awhile.   ;) Edit: I have a question though. At 9.5x I can get to aq 194 fsb and it seems stable. At 11.5x I can run a 174 fsb. What do you think would be better for the 5500 voodoo card and the older games? It looks like the memory bandwidth and cpu arithmetic benchmarks are slightly higher with the 9.5x multiplier and the 194 fsb. I always liked the idea of getting FSB as high as possible. With CPU higher then 1.4Ghz V5 5500 is already topped. So the next thing would be to max out memory, and with 194Mhz FSB you are doing just that. I would keep it at that setting myself. I know from my own experience that FSB (memory) is extremely important for some games. For a recent example, in Warcraft III (DOTA) I have some laggs from time to time on Abit KT7A and 2100Mhz (20x105Mhz). As the game performs exactly the same at 640x480 (lowest quality) and 1280x1024 (max quality) (both 16bit) it leads to the conlusion that the video card itselft is not a bottle neck, but something else. As the CPU is well over the minimum requirements, its qute safe to assume that FSB and my SDRAM are lagging behind. I'm waiting for a newer revision of the Mainboard and a better CPU so that I will be able to run it at 133MHz FSB - that should clear things up a bit.

Yea, I had a sdram setup also(for 2 weeks). It worked well with a thunderbird/ak73(a)board. To be honest, I didnt really see much difference from that or from a ddr ram palomino setup as far as games go. Of course the cpu/bandwidth benchmarks were much higher with the ddr.

The biggest difference I saw was going from a pci 5500 to a agp 5500. I got around 10 more fps on quake 3 (1024x768 everything on high) with the agp. That was no matter which system it was on.

eloooos wrote on 26.05.09 at 16:57:16:

But don't forget about PCI ang AGP buses :> When You have FSB 174MHz, then you have 34,8MHz on PCI, and AGP 69,9MHz. When You have FSB 191MHz, then you have 38,2MHz on PCI, and AGP 76,4MHz. On FSB 191, PCI Clock is very high, so IDE controller can doing errors. (Sorry for my english ;) )

Thats also what I was wondering. I only have 1 generic pci soundcard, which im thinking about replacing with a soundblaster live card. But mainly I was wondering how the 5500 deals with the high fsb.

At 194 the computer seems very stable. But, the sandra burn in test will lock every time. havent seemed to have any problems with lock ups though as far as gaming goes.

Im giving up on trying to finish the burn in test. Im going to go to 195 and see how stable windows and the games are.

I just installed an original Sounblaster Live 5.1 card.  ;) Seems to be working great. But, as I said before. I was wondering what kind of bus speeds the 5500 is stable with.  :)

elfuego wrote on 25.05.09 at 19:14:16:

[quote author=4E45574B4A240 link=1242117237/15#16 date=1243132988] I'm waiting for a newer revision of the Mainboard and a better CPU so that I will be able to run it at 133MHz FSB - that should clear things up a bit.

By the way. Im going to sell the ak73 on ebay in the next couple of days.    ;)

sb306 wrote on 28.05.09 at 02:13:30:

elfuego wrote on 25.05.09 at 19:14:16: [quote author=4E45574B4A240 link=1242117237/15#16 date=1243132988] I'm waiting for a newer revision of the Mainboard and a better CPU so that I will be able to run it at 133MHz FSB - that should clear things up a bit. By the way. Im going to sell the ak73 on ebay in the next couple of days.    ;)

Nice info, though wrong mainboard. I need ISA slot too; if I didnt, I would go for Abit KX333 ;)