I presume everyone of you are reading where I am reading but have you seen this card on E-bay?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=40157&item=5102606935&rd=1

Does such card exists? It doesn't look like any other Voodoo card I have seen but is it a Voodoo at alla? Is it fake or real?

If it is real it would be very intresting I presume...

Really very NICE and RARE, explosive combination!:o

The seller say that the screen show like a V4-2 4200, but this numeration does not correspond to the Daytona AGP Card?

Regards,
Oscar

You should not be too confident about what the screen says because that can be changed... Looked at the bios source that DenisF says that he had been chaning succesfully. There you can change the name of every card and if I personally just find out how to compile the shit I can trick my Voodoo 5 5500 to look like a Voodoo 5 5800...

But with the picture of the card also there I presume it is real... But why would IBM do Voodo 4 4200? And why haven't we seen this before?

Could indeed be a daytona. Look at the ram and the way it is placed. I never heard about a 16MB daytona, though. Anyway, the design looks familiar to the known daytona PCI, although it is not identical.

I have my doubts on this one, bulk sellers mix cards all the time and it doesn't have any 3dfx logo on the front of the card.

Plus no active cooling, looks more like a S4 card to me.

My Daytona AGP doesn´t need any cooling at all, not even passive. The chip simply stays handwarm @ 166 Mhz.

Other thing, I am not sure but I think that the card come with memory SGRAM//DDRAM... Other similitude with Daytona Card.

Regards,
Oscar

wrote on 17.06.04 at 15:38:12:

My Daytona AGP doesn´t need any cooling at all, not even passive. The chip simply stays handwarm @ 166 Mhz.

What would a "Daytona" card be doing in a production IBM computer? Doesn't make sense.

If you look closely you'll spot (what I 'beleive' to be) a Quantum 3D logo on the card... ;)

[Top right under the orange/brown squares...] :P

Interesting indeed... :o

wrote on 18.06.04 at 00:15:18:

If you look closely you'll spot (what I 'beleive' to be) a Quantum 3D logo on the card... ;) [Top right under the orange/brown squares...] :P Interesting indeed... :o

Umm, too bad that's not a quantum3d logo.

That's one of those "do not touch" logos I believe. But nice try :D

Ah well! :P

Woulda' been nice if it WAS one though! ::)

The question still remains on the identity of the card... ???

Well, if it Posts as "3dfx Voodoo4 4200", I think it should be a 3dfx Card.

The Logo is the "Antistatic" Warning Logo found on many of the later/latest Model 3dfx Cards.

Anyway, let the bidding wars begin *g*

-- edit --
Hm, do you see the White Text imprinted on the PCB, on the very right (above the Voltage Regulator) ?

It's only a few Pixels, but from its size and Word length, it IMHO looks familiar enough to read :
(c)1999 3dfx Interactive inc.
(or (c)2000 )

Hmm - it may be interesting also that he says that it posts as "3DFX VOODOO4-2 4200" not as "3DFX VOODOO4 4200"

What may that "-2" means? Is this a later version of a Voodoo 4 4200? Like a second edition daytona?

Also - why is it in a IBM? Maybe it wasn't in the IBM from the beginning but was replaced by someone...

wrote on 18.06.04 at 09:31:54:

Anyway, let the bidding wars begin *g*

I see you have a few licks in already!

Quote:

It's only a few Pixels, but from its size and Word length, it IMHO looks familiar enough to read : (c)1999 3dfx Interactive inc. (or (c)2000 )

Yes, I noticed that as well after I posted about lack of logo.

Ah, if hardware could only tell stories... how did this piece get here?

@ 3dfx_goblin

The "-2" does indeed stand for second edition, but it means 2nd edition Voodoo4.
As the known daytonas are all one-chip boards, it would be classified as a Voodoo4, but with a VSA101 instead of a VSA100.
My daytona posts a a Voodoo4-2 4800 AGP with 32MB DDR.
Too bad that there were no 2-Chip daytonas, although they were planned there was no time left...

Ok - that makes sence...

I agree that it is too bad that didn't have time to do any two or even four chips variant. In the biosrevision files it is written about many lovely things as a 5800, such a beuty would really has been nice to have :/

hmm, more than one, wonder why no one ever said anything about these in 4 years, even x 3dfx people, this guy seems to have a supply of them

Okidok, seems really authentic :

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=40157&item=5103293634

In the 2nd Auction, he wrote the Card Markings as well :
3DFX CHIPSET INFO:
F60783.6  AS
0045  20008
TAIWAN 1501

PCB MFG DATE:  2000
PCB P/N:  210-0424-001

That's a 100% 3dfx Part No.

wrote on 18.06.04 at 20:58:33:

hmm, more than one, wonder why no one ever said anything about these in 4 years, even x 3dfx people, this guy seems to have a supply of them

Yes, so it seems.

If so the early bidders on the first card might be annoyed if this guy has a few dozen or so. He should have waited till the first auction ended before offering the next card.

wrote on 18.06.04 at 22:24:50:

F60783.6  AS 0045  20008

45 week of 2000, man that was cutting it close to the end...

Can't someone try to get some more pictures form the guy or something?

This is reallu interesting...

This must be a bulk edition daytona or something - quite crazy :)

I've asked him how many Cards we can expect...

Maybe there are enough available for everybody after all ;)

that would be nice if there were enough for us all falconfly, damn one more card i need now, just my luck. >:(  but really how was this card missed for so long? i cant find anything about it on the web either, just plain strange, all the 3dfx guru's and never a word of it

wrote on 18.06.04 at 22:30:48:

Can't someone try to get some more pictures form the guy or something?

I tried- The seller is quite the jerk.


quote-

==============================

Hi gary,
Because its a low quantity item, not enough to dealer sell directly and a
pain to answer all the emails over one card.
Sorry but you have been blocked.

Thank You,
Chris w/ Electronic Recycler

hmm thats too bad about the seller. id love to see if there will be more cards, i hate to have to bid against my bro's here :'(  but with just 2 cards up for grabs, good luck all :)

i email'd that feckwit asking for a hi res image of that card..

guess that's why i didn't get a reply  >:(

Hello, I wanted to know times who the "bfg3dfx" is.

Is it from this forum?
That makes me still finished....  ;)
I can captivate him with original bavarian beer
;D 8)

unfortunately the salesman was not calm on the attack
Which shows times again 3dfx lives!

I apologize for my bad English!

Best Regards

And who is bewegung123? looks german, is that you falconfly?

hehe bewegung123 , its a crazy guy,
wouldn't surprise me, if he would get the card :)

greetz SnaG

wrote on 19.06.04 at 19:59:23:

And who is bewegung123? looks german, is that you falconfly?

I'm bewegung123

and who is "bfg3dfx" ?

8)

I want this card at all costs !!!

wrote on 19.06.04 at 23:16:40:

I want this card at all costs !!!

I think this is going to get ugly ;-)

well between bewegung and bfg and all the people waiting till the last second to bid i feel im not gonna get a card :'( i wonder how many that guy has? i mean if he has 2 out of working computers than there has to be quite a few more dont you think?

wrote on 20.06.04 at 03:47:01:

well between bewegung and bfg and all the people waiting till the last second to bid i feel im not gonna get a card :'( i wonder how many that guy has? i mean if he has 2 out of working computers than there has to be quite a few more dont you think?

I asked, he isn't talking though.

Who wish the card, they will have to pay much money...
(SPANISH TEAM osckhar&kikoelgrande)  ;D

Regards,
Oscar

lol, will you cut the card in half ;D

Well, my EBay name is as easy as it gets :

FalconFly_de ;D

(shouldn't have been that hard to figure out http://www.falconfly.de/img/crazysmile.gif )

wrote on 20.06.04 at 06:56:34:

Who wish the card, they will have to pay much money...

Question of the day- Bid on the first or second card?

both  ;)

wrote on 20.06.04 at 13:00:57:

Hey Buddy, nice card huh? its nice to see other people so interested in 3dfx still, good luck with the bidding,BFG3dfx Vielen Dank, bfg3dfx

he is a merry man  :P
but it will bring it nothing

funny how for a v4 there is no fan plug in anywhere on the pcb, unless i missed it, i wonder if its more like a v3 4000, but no matter what it really is, it would seem there had to be more than 2 of a working card made, dont you think, im thinking alot more, even if they were oem samples

If you look at the PCB, you'll see it is entirely different from everything we've seen so far.

And if it was an OEM Card, it for sure runs on Clock speeds that do not require a Fan...

Regarding these two cards,

I really hope they do turn out to be what you want them to be.

God only knows how much upset this would cause if these cards do turn out to be S4's. ;D

Even though some evidence is there, I am still wary of what they really are. :P

If you look at the PCB, you'll see it is entirely different from everything we've seen so far  <-- this is what is strange, of all the 3dfx people, none have ever brought up this card, i mean someone had to have worked on this, it didnt just fall out of the golden goose.  :-/

F60783.6 definitely indicates a 3dfx Part (BGA).

Some of them are still available here :
http://www.qcomponent.com/Qcomponent/Inventario/InventoryAlphabet.asp?PROID=F

Of course, I'm just as surprised to see something like this turn up, but all the numbers do add together.

Looking at the very late Production Date and the highest PCB Part No. of the 210-xxx series I've ever seen, it seems quite possible.

well falconfly, take a guess at how many you think there are, my guess is at least 100, and i figure that would be low for a working card even if they made them for just a couple of days, and they seem to have had time to distribute them. i wish we could ask this guy who has them some questions, like what ibm comps those were, year and type

The only thing that speaks against a high number of distribution is :

Noone, including even the most hard-core Collectors, has ever seen one of those; let alone got one from Ebay worldwide, within the last years.

While technically I believe there must indeed be more Cards, they are (as of now) still the only 2 Cards of their type to ever surface...

It's a guts call :
Let go of the Auctions, and maybe see more of them coming in soon... or miss the only chance you'll ever get to aquire one.

yeah, its a simple fifty - fifty chance  ::)

buy or wait

the outcome will be interresting

Good question.

Maybe he tested it to boot only using the Standard VGA, and deemed them 'good to go' for sale.

I mean, if I was selling components by the hundreds almost every day, I'd as well keep my time needed for testing down as much as possible.

If those really are IBM Cards, it should be possible to still get support from IBM.
As far as I know, these guys even support 10 years old Hardware ;)

What I don't understand is,

If bewegung123 wants one of these cards so badly, why hasn't he (or bfg3dfx for that matter) started to bid on the 2nd one on ebay yet? (hence it is a lot cheaper than the price rate of the first one currently) ::)

hehe, probably for the same reason both have been driving the price high effectively for no reason until now.

The real price war will generate within the last 5 Minutes of the Auction anyway ;)

Yes in the end the real price war will begin, im wondering what price status these cards will bring, id pay 300.00 for a non working v6000 just to hang on the wall, since working or not this card wouldnt see any real everyday use except for fun, how high will it go.

as for ibm, i cant see them taking and wasting there time on just 2 cards, not unless they were samples and they never went in a ibm machine for sale, otherwise they would have to have support and that cost money

I hope with my map thereby which we so highly drive myself no further along.

With the second auction I have with required, thus her into mine ebay linked am around her to be observed.

Me only one Card intressiert! If I first do not get make I with second in the last minute with g *

It is badly in such a way it so many friends of 3dfx gives if one a Card wants!

It is naturally beautifully which we so a municipality is for 3dfx however.......

regards  :)

Yikes im gonna miss the auction, i have to be at work at that time, rats i wanted to see it unfold, oh well good luck you all ::)

I scored a boxed Metabyte Eyescream glasses with PCI Vengance card today, woot!

How high you boys plan on bidding today?

I sense high stakes.

wrote on 20.06.04 at 20:13:18:

The real price war will generate within the last 5 Minutes of the Auction anyway ;)

I'm settling in my office chair, sniper ballcap on, coffee in one hand, checkbook in the other ;-)

Best of luck to all of you, will be interesting to see how far each of us go to own a bit of 3dfx history.

59 sec left!

<2000lfd>

DOH!

boah ..... falconfly.... :o

1) Congratulations bro!

2) That was rather exciting, thought I had it right there at the end.

3) D*mn! Well there is more then one card ;-)

4) At least we know who the 3dfx diehards are now =)

5) D*mn, I knew I should have bid $600- What's another $75?

Gary <2000lfd>

*lol*

I think I've never placed 4 bids (3 instantly failing too low at submission) within 20 Seconds :o

PS.
My final entry was : 551 $...

...just 1 Cent more... and I would have lost *gulp*

[yoda]close call this was...... close call yes...[/yoda]

wrote on 21.06.04 at 02:57:44:

*lol* I think I've never placed 4 bids (3 instantly failing too low at submission) within 20 Seconds :o

I'm on a modem, I had my fingers crossed that no one was going to call while I was on line! My usual dedicated line is down and I had to use the voice line this weekend.  :o

wrote on 21.06.04 at 02:57:44:

...just 1 Cent more... and I would have lost *gulp*

Be interesting if card two generates the same numbers.

Don't worry, I'm on 1.5MBit DSL and had Tabbed Browsing via FireFox x4....

...even there, you could see my Fingers fly :-X
----------------
Well, I might watch it just out of curiosity (I will certainly not place a bid ;) )...

This is more tense than soccer EM last minute *g*

wow, that went much higher than i thought it would, good job falconfly, when you get it you will have to let us all know the details :)

Think I deleted my own post, whoops!

Night all, I have to head outside and finish up some work on my turbo car.

I have to drive it to Chicago next weekend (1800 miles round trip) for a Shelby Dodge yearly event and it's spiting fuel on the ground, have to finish the intercooler plumbing and I have not even road tested it or gotten plates yet!

oy.

(?)

wrote on 21.06.04 at 03:05:04:

wow, that went much higher than i thought it would, good job falconfly, when you get it you will have to let us all know the details :)

Yes pity chances are he won't have card one before the second auction ends.

Yep, that sure would give certainty to those still in doubt about the Card...

Let's just hope it can keep up to the promises.

But honestly, I and others checked all the Markings, Signs and Details possible on the web worldwide...
I think this is as good as it gets.

When I receive it, I'll be sure to check it out thoroughly :)

wrote on 21.06.04 at 03:10:16:

But honestly, I and others checked all the Markings, Signs and Details possible on the web worldwide... I think this is as good as it gets.

I think so too, hence a $527 bid!

Just a hypothetical Situation *g* :

...for a second, imagine the (now happy) seller puts in 20 of those Cards next week...
http://www.falconfly.de/img/crazysmile.gif

Once again BIG kudos @Falcon! ;D 8)

WHOA! £299.75 for a Voodoo 4...but remember folks - it's a SPECIAL V4 4200! ;)

Don't forget that we want ALL the dirt on this card when it arrives! :D

Hmm...wonder if @Patience will be the winner of the 2nd card? ???

Well that was certainly entertaining!  :D
Logging on this morning at work was most obviously a bit of a shock!
I clearly didn't expect this card to generate such a high price, even though there was such a high interest surrounding it!
Anyway, congratulations to FalconFly and no doubtedly future congrats to Patience who will nab the 2nd card. I know this as she tends to keep quiet about what she's bidding on, and then puts squillions of pounds in for the item in the last 1.482 seconds. ;D :P Btw, don't try to beat her, you know how much she paid for the 3dfx collection on ebay not so long back! ::)

FalconFly, please review and rate this card when the time is appropriate and be sure to let us all know if it turns out to be all you expected it to be (or at least, for how much you paid for it ;)).

Myself, I'll just wait on the 19th card to be auctioned on ebay and snap it up for about $20! Hehe! 8) (yeah right..)

Interesting- I was offered a card right after the auction by the seller.

I.E. second chance.

I think the seller has a number of them.

You can bet your bum cheeks on it. :)

By the look of the bidding history of the first item, it seems Patience's limit was $550.00. She had a full 11 seconds to beat the bid of FalconFly's @ $551.00, but she couldn't see the price he was willing to pay (she may have thought it would have been a LOT more than $551) so I reckon she backed down.

However, I don't expect the 2nd card to reach nowhere near the limit of the first, as I suspect (as many others do) there is more than 2 of these cards from this seller.
Possibly at least 20. ;D

Yep, when I saw my bid instantly reaching what I set to maximum, I hammered a slightly higher one in (to be safe), but it was already too late ;)

As I said, my first 3 bids didn't even get through, since the Price had already climbed past them... within those seconds of typing the numbers... :o

[ut2003 DoubleDomination voice]....One second Save! ...[/voice] ;D

If the seller starts pumping out Voodoo4-2 4200's left and right now, I think I'm going to frame mine in mahagoni and airbrush it in gold *lol*

PS.
I did receive a "Notification from an EBay Member" just Minutes after the Auction had ended, but unfortunately my Spam Filter decided to kill it before I could hammer the "*argh* Stop!" Button :P
I wonder who sent it...

wrote on 21.06.04 at 14:23:54:

I think I'm going to frame mine in mahagoni and airbrush it in gold *lol*

Shouldn't that come as standard for $550.00 ?  ;D :P ::)

My god people!

Clearly you people have alot of maney to spend.

Congrats to you FalconFly on your win. But I'd like to know how authentic and original you think this card is, seeing as we all know there's a second auction (I'll link it again to save people from going back to page 2):

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=40157&item=5103293634

And I really didn't read the whole thread. Is it a VSA100?

Alot of info would be much appreciated once you receive the card. :D

I noticed madame patience was bidding on it too. ;)

Nope, it's a VSA-101 which is even MORE rare - hence why EVERYONE (with a lot of £££ to spend) is after these cards like gold-dust! ;D

Nuff said! 8)

Well, I will be sure to give the Card a thorough Checkout as soon as it arrives.

But from all I can tell, it is authentic, I wouldn't have gone for it otherwise :)

If I fall on my nose with it despite all odds, I'll let you know ASAP of course (don't hope so)

Ok thanks :)

Figures, got caught in traffic and missed the end of the second auction darn it.

:O

So now patience and falconfly both have one.  ::)

I guess it's safer with them than with osckhar or elvis. http://my.fit.edu/~mmichael/Smileys/dork.gif

http://www.falconfly.de/img/3dfx_archive_strikes_back.jpg

;D

lmao nice one falcon  :D

Quote:

I guess it's safer with them than with osckhar or elvis.

You always so likeable!  :-X

p.d. ¡Congratulations to both! (Patience@Falconfly)  ;D

Regards,
Oscar

ROFL! Hahahahaha! :D ;D

Nice one Falcon! 8)

wrote on 23.06.04 at 20:46:28:

You always so likeable!  :-X p.d. ¡Congratulations to both! (Patience@Falconfly)  ;D Regards, Oscar

Understand that that whole 6k and amigamerlin fiasco has marked you forever as an "elvis" in my eyes.

Well, at least elvis cherishes his 6k, and doesn't put it up on eBay. :|

Hope there will be some more V4 4200 soon on ebay.  $385 is still too much for me.

Quote:

Anyway, congratulations to FalconFly and no doubtedly future congrats to Patience who will nab the 2nd card. I know this as she tends to keep quiet about what she's bidding on, and then puts squillions of pounds in for the item in the last 1.482 seconds.

Told you so!  :P ::)

Hey fish, just a wild guess, but you wouldn't happen to be 'archon-online' by any chance, would you?  ;) ::)

Yes, that's me.... so please don't tell me that you are      2000lfd  ;D

wrote on 24.06.04 at 13:10:51:

Yes, that's me.... so please don't tell me that you are      2000lfd  ;D

That would be me!

I would have had that second card, I made it home 2 minutes to late to bid, arg!

So you got that VoodooMac 4500. I got the hope that nobody would recognize that auction.

Glad I could bring two friends (3dfx rivals  :P) together! Just doing my part! Hehe! ;D

wrote on 24.06.04 at 15:02:13:

Glad I could bring two friends (3dfx rivals  :P) together! Just doing my part! Hehe! ;D

Why did you think that I'm archon-online?
And who are you on ebay?

wrote on 24.06.04 at 14:22:32:

So you got that VoodooMac 4500. I got the hope that nobody would recognize that auction.

I had my eye on that one from the moment it popped up ;-)

Thought I had lucked out on a cheap find since every *seemed* to be ignoring it.

lol.

wrote on 24.06.04 at 15:47:28:

I had my eye on that one from the moment it popped up ;-) Thought I had lucked out on a cheap find since every *seemed* to be ignoring it. lol.

That's exactly what I thought, too.

Oh dear (for FalconFly & Patiennce).  :-[

There is another.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5104750493

Those two earlier cards are now beginning to lose their value a little! ;)

I suspected as much- If this guy buys and sells corporate lots he may have as few as ten to as much as thousands. He did contact me after the first auction offering a second chance buy so right off the bat I knew there were 3 or more cards. I can't be the only buyer he hit up with a second chance.

Had it bookmarked since it popped up I'll be in Chicago when the auction ends but that's what laptops are for.

Gary

Well, let's hope my Card's GPU does not look like the Image in the 3rd Auction.

Whoever removed the Heatsink to snap the Image, certainly didn't treat the Card like a potential 300$-item  :o

Okidok, my Card arrived, and I'm definitely very happy with it  ;D

Haven't got around to plug it in yet (arrived some 15 Minutes ago), but those are the numbers :

PCB Manufactured : 4600
Model No. : 210-0424-001-A1
Logo : 3dfx N1281
--- edit ---
2x HYUNDAI HY5DU663222 0035TA 6ns DDR RAM

Being manufactured between 06 and 12 Nov 2000 (and that's the PCB only, the final Card usually still takes a while to be complete and actually ship), makes this the latest 3dfx built Card I've ever seen.

Made in times of extreme financial and internal Problems, I can imagine they sold all they could, to everyone they could find. This might have been a small lot of Cards shipped to IBM, that remained in low numbers because 3dfx ceased to exist just 2 months later.

If you look at the Chip of the cancelled Auction, you'll see that even the GPU was produced in 4500, thus the entire Card was basically being completely fresh produced (and giving it a 99.99% Chance of indeed being a Daytona)

So in the End, it might be very useful to monitor the Seller's Auctions from time to time. My gut feeling tells me that not many of these Cards exist, and even fewer will make it to EBay.
(since the seller isn't a Newbie, everyone can be sure he's been looking for those Cards everywhere now, since he got and still can get alot of money for them)

--- edit ---
The Card Posts exactly like this :

Voodoo4-2 4200 Supported Bios - Version 1.05
Copyright (C) 1990-2000 Elpin Systems, Inc.
All Rights Reserved
3dfx Interactive, Inc.
Total DDR Video Memory Size: 16384k

Problem I have :
Neither the 3dfx V1.04.00, nor the V1.04.01b Drivers actually work with this Card...

Looks like it requires a special OEM Driver, which (looking at the unique PCB) sounds reasonable.

Note :
The Card's Heatsink (after 15 Minutes of 2D Operation) barely got warm, so I assume this is a VSA-101 ~143MHz Daytona.

It's sounds good then that this may be it after all! :D
And will probably go down in history as the most expensive 16mb retail graphics card ever! ;)

If this card was to be the next generation of the VSA chip series, how come it was only issued with 16Mb of memory?

Off-topic: Is this the same memory that is being used as on the Voodoo4?

Also, be sure to let us know the full low-down and give us an in-detail review of the card, including screenshots! ;D

wrote on 28.06.04 at 08:01:18:

Oops ! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5104750493 The seller ended this listing early because of an error in the listing. or Somebody made an "interesting" offer to the seller ??

Yeah, I offered him £0.10p for it, so he took it and we made a deal!  ::)

AND THEN I WOKE UP AND ATE MY CORNFLAKES! :o

Does seem a bit strange to end it like this, however, why not just state that the [i]item is no longer available[/] instead of saying there is an error?

He probably likes to keep people guessing and build up the tension between all the bidders!

Well, lacking any functional Drivers, I cannot do any Benchmarks for now.

(I've contacted IBM, let's see what they turn up).

Since this Card uses DDR-RAM, it is different from the normal Voodoo4's SD-RAM of course ;)

Once I get it fully up & running, I'll be sure to check it out in more Detail :)
-------
The only thing that I don't get smart about, is that this DDR-RAM (according to the POST screen) looks exactly like SG-RAM (?)

I'll check out the RAM Specs to make sure.
------

Alright, it is DDR-RAM :
Hyundai Debuts DDR SDRAM

Hyundai Electronics America recently announced samples of its 2- M x 32 double data rate SDRAM. The HY5DU663222 is aimed at graphics, networking and consumer applications and operates at 143-, 166- and 183-MHz frequencies (to be announced soon). The 166 MHz speed offers 1.3 GBps bandwidth.

The DDR DRAM offers two data accesses per clock cycle with internal four-bank operation. It also features differential clock operation, programmable burst lengths of 2,4,8 or full page and auto precharge, auto refresh and self-refresh modes. It offers a VDD of 2.5 V, plus or minus 0.2 V, and a VDDQ of 2.5 V, plus or minus 0.2 V. Other features include a 16 ms, 2,048-cycle refresh or 15.6 us/row, 2.5 V inputs and outputs, byte write operation and support of CAS latency of 2 and 3.

Housed in a 100-pin QFP, the HY5DU663222 is sampling now with production volumes scheduled for later this quarter.

Falconfly,
try to force the card to use a driver, even if windows says "This driver may not work. Continue anyway ?" or something similar.
If it IS a VSA101, the drivers will work. Try the x3dfx 1.07.

I did ;)

What happens then, is that the V1.04.01b Driver freezes the Machine as soon as the Desktop is loaded.

The V1.04.00 already fails at startup, and leaves me with 640x480 16 Colors.

Haven't tried the V1.07.xx series Drivers, although it would be strange if these actually work.

Now that we KNOW the cards are genuine, it would be a crying shame if the reason for the auction being "ended" early was that the seller TOTALLED a card just to take a picture of the GPU!!! :'(

Oh the humanity! :o

i asked the seller the very first day of sale if he still had the hard drives that were in those cases, just in case he bought them complete, but never got an answer, you 2 might try him since you got the cards, that would give you a sure driver ::)

I've EMailed him as well.

Certainly takes a while for him to answer, but well, he's handling hundreds of Auctions every day, so this is to be expected.

One detail I noted when I used the V1.04.01b Driver :
The Driver, although non-functional, correctly listed the Card as "3dfx Voodoo4-2 4200 PCI" in the Device Manager, while the V1.04.00 stated only "3dfx Voodoo series" (generic)

At least something :)

So basicly you're saying that if a driver exists for that card, it will actually be newer than the latest official beta?

sweet ;D

No sure there, it must at least be dated somewhere after the 1.04.00 (09 Nov 2000), which makes sense.
(the Voodoo4-2 4200 was just being produced exactly these days)

Since the Beta from 21 Nov 2000 does run the Card at least "partially" and seems to recognize it, there's a chance that it exists.

After all, I can't imagine IBM Systems being sold with defunc or non-existing Video Drivers.
However, maybe those actually were never sold, and were just waiting in some Stockpile for a long time (?)

Would explain the Card's Numbers never appear in the official IBM Parts Database... Maybe 3dfx never delivered the Driver they promised (?)

I'll give it a try with the latest 3dfx and x3dfx Drivers then, maybe it works.

Lets all rejoice in a moment of prayer.. lol

Seriously though, if IBM does have a working driver for it - it makes you think what the heck were 3dfx upto before they went down..

maybe there are like 20 rampage cards rotting in some .com in redmond..

Guess we'll never know  :(

One thing that made me wonder :

The various latest 3dfx and x3dfx .inf Files state several "Napalm 2"  Boards as supported, yet those never have a PCI or AGP indicator (or other Data) next to them.

I think it might be a good Idea to read the PCI Register from the Voodoo4-2 Card; maybe I can match it with a known ASSY No. or a Device List (or feed google with the Results again)...

Hmpf, I can't get the Card to run with any Driver...

3dfx VSA V1.04.00 fail
3dfx VSA V1.04.01b fail
x3dfx Voodoo3 V1.08.03 fail
x3dfx VSA V1.08.03 fail

Analysis Programs say :

SiSoft Sandra 2002
OEM Device Name : 3dfx Interactive Inc. Unknown 000B
OEM Hardware ID : FUN_0, VEN_121A, DEV_000B, REV_01
Product Device Name : IBM Unknown (000B)
Product Hardware ID : VEN_1014, DEV_019B
Revision / Stepping : A / 2 (1)

Lavalys Everest V1.10.106
Display : VSA-200 (3dfx :o ???
GPU : (no Data available)

---

PCI Registers read :
VendorID : 121A (=3dfx)
ProductID : 000B (unknown)
SubVendorID : 1014 (=IBM)
SubProductID : 019B (unknown)
BS : 00
DV : 0C
FN : 00

For comparison a 3dfx Voodoo4 4500 32MB AGP (3700 Rev.A0)
PCI Registers read :
VendorID : 121A (=3dfx)
ProductID : 0009
SubVendorID : 121A (=original 3dfx)
SubProductID : 0004
BS : 01
DV : 00
FN : 00

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......a 3dfx VSA-200 *gasp* (?!)
Could it be that the AIDA successor falsely reports VSA-101 Daytona's as VSA-200 ?

One thing is for sure :
It is an IBM associated Card.
But apart from that, it raises more questions than ever...

vsa200... that sure brings some old memories to life

i bet the reply from IBM will be very intresting  ;D

AIDA32 does the same with my daytona, it reports it as VSA200 instead of VSA101.
The PCI product ID also fits ( 000B ) to a daytona.
What really bugs me is that the drivers are not working with your card, my daytona was recognized as Napalm2 even in WinXP, in Win98SE all drivers I tried worked flawlessly.

HINT that this guy may have a LOT of these cards:;)

On his current auction:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5105560183

"BULK &  DEALER SALE QUESTIONS ARE WELCOME." ;D

That is posted next to all of his Aucitons (I think), more like a Standard Text.

But then, would be great to have more people being able to get one :)

PS.
And no, I have no regrets ;D

FalconFly, use the 1.07 driver! This work with my Daytona. The others will set Draminit to 0 and freeze PC on desktop.

Hmm these cards could INDEED be VSA-200, as the ProductID seems to fit in the VSA-200 range! ;D

Check here: -

http://www.idhw.com/textual/chip/3dfx/pciid.html

The ProductID is higher than VSA-101, definately somewhere in the VSA-200 range! :D

Also, it doesn't look like a 'standard' daytona concept card! ;)

Check here: -

http://tiger.towson.edu/~tzeger1/3dfx/products/daytona.html

So I'm betting on VSA-200! 8)

Anyone second my vote? ???

According to this list VSA200 would mean Rampage,
although Rampage was not based on Voodoo-Tech, but thats another story...
I am pretty sure the V4-4200 is a daytona card, maybe made just for OEM with reduced amount of memory...
Interesting to hear that vykupitels card is also working with the 1.07.00 drivers, you should give them a try Flaconfly...

wrote on 28.06.04 at 21:52:43:

Now that we KNOW the cards are genuine, it would be a crying shame if the reason for the auction being "ended" early was that the seller TOTALLED a card just to take a picture of the GPU!!! :'(

I know I e-mailed him and made it clear I had zero interest in a card where the heatsink was pried off, was being sold as-is and might go for a good lump of money.

Hm, I'll try both the V1.07.00 and 1.07.00b Drivers, and might even give the Rampage Driver a shot.

Let's see what works, but from the .inf Files I see only a low chance.

The numbers on the chip are exactly the same like on my Daytona!
the problem with the drivers is in the setting of DramInit in the drivers. Only 1.07 drivers doesn't se it to 0 which means SDR RAM and test the card.
1.07 drivers are Daytona compatible!

Okidok, here are Images from the Card :

http://www.falconfly.de/img/preview-IBM_Voodoo4-2_4200_Front.jpg
http://www.falconfly.de/img/preview-IBM_Voodoo4-2_4200_Back.jpg

HiRes Images (1600x1200)
Front
Back

Further Driver testing I'll have to do tomorrow or Friday (had no time for it today :P )

@ Patience

I guess he means x3dfx drivers 1.07.00b based on the core from Feb 2001.
NuAngel5 drivers should be okay also, but I have not tested these with my daytona...

BTW, great pictures...

wrote on 02.07.04 at 20:34:55:

So 2 Cards are selling... And this is the fourth now.

Like I said, he is a buyer of wholesale lots of computers- He could have as little as 10 cards to as many as a few thousand.

I thank you osckhar for it which it me still over did not offer nevertheless have!
:) ;)

My money reserves would have been nevertheless fast reached!

:-[

I wish you much luck with your voodoo4. and I hope for everyone sufficient Cards am there!

Ha!
Victory at last : The card works :D

It took quite some troubleshooting and workarounds to get it to operate, however...

- Driver : AmigaMerlin Win9x V2.9
- Manual Installation via Device Manager only
- Inf Selected : Amigamerlin 2.9 for V4-5

Upon Reboot, the typical Error Message "Incorrect Display Settings" appears...

- Select 256 Colors as Color Depth only
- then allow for immediate Restart (not reboot)

> System fires up in 640x480, 8bit (256 Colors)
- now change Display setting according own Preference

Note :
The Error Message "Incorrect Display settings" appears at every Reboot, and the entire Procedure must be repeated, so avoid Rebooting at all costs.
------------------------------
So far, I've run quick test with 3D Mark 2001SE and Aquamark V2.1, all seems to work fine once one has the Card up&running.

3dfx Tools shows all Options, including the LCD Support Tab :)
The 3dfx Info Tab shows VSA-100 clocked at 143MHz, however...
------------------------------
I think I could test the found workaround on other Drivers as well (I reckon any VSA-100 Driver should work now), although the AmigaMerlin 2.9 is already an excellent Driver.

--- edit ---
Okidok, the Workaround is good for any VSA-100 Driver.

I found out 2xFSAA causes Severe errors on the Card (Windows Bluescreens or the machine even Resets spontaneously) after a short period into Rendering/Benchmarking... But for as long as it runs, the FSAA is flawless.

Kudos @Falcon, glad you finally got this RARE card to work! ;) 8)

Now if someone can just hack the drivers to remove the error that occurs on reboot... ::)

Okidok, one Benchmark I was able to complete :

http://www.falconfly.de/img/Voodoo4-2_4200_AquamarkBench.jpg
Aquamark Benchmark settings : 8MB Textures

It's quite interesting to see that the Card hardly takes a hit from 32bit Rendering, which we know puts a normal Voodoo4 quickly onto its Fillrate Limit.

Unfortunately, the other Fillrate killer (2x FSAA) I can't really use on it, but I'll try other Multitexturing Benches in the next days.

PS.
Don't be too disappointed by the fairly low numbers, Aquamark V2.1 does take its toll on 3dfx Cards with upto 182000 Polygons per Scene.

As of now I don't know.

Since Aquamark is posing other Bottlenecks on the Card, I can't be sure for now.

I'll try to get other, more Fillrate limiting Tests to run.

--- edit ---
Alright last Bench for today :

http://www.falconfly.de/img/Voodoo4-2_FillrateBench.jpg

Now that looks like what I've seen from normal Voodoo4's, so I'd say the DDR-SDRAM doesn't help the Card's Fillrate.

Quote:

I thank you osckhar for it which it me still over did not offer nevertheless have!   My money reserves would have been nevertheless fast reached!

Ahhhh, You are bewegung123... CONGRATULATIONS! Not problem, When I gone to bid again... I saw other sample!


Quote:

I wish you much luck with your voodoo4. and I hope for everyone sufficient Cards am there!

Thanks, I will need it!

@FalconFly,
Does The card runs bus 64bits or 128bits? Is very important to know it! ;)

Regards,
Oscar

*ugh*
Now how would I find that out ?

After all, it's not a widespread Card, so I can't trust any Utilities really.

Daytonas have 64bit DDR-SDRAM, which is essentialy the same as 128bit SDRAM [performance-wise]

Hi,  ;D

Another one more... V4 4200  :o

Regards,
Oscar

Hi,


Quote:

Daytonas have 64bit DDR-SDRAM

Well, perhaps yes... but don't forget that the Daytona Card is a prototype card, and the V4 4200, not! (it comes without the label "NOT FOR RESALE")

Regards,
Oscar

wrote on 05.07.04 at 07:45:19:

@hutzeputz   If you want that this rare Card "works" under Win2k, the best will be to try in first the last 3dfx whql driver for Win2k, using the same way that Falconfly since that worked.   The last 3dfx driver then probably the Amigamerlin 2.5SE for Win2k/XP will be a better choice than an "exotic" driver... ;D  ;)

;) thanks for the tip

I may hope nevertheless which we one driver find.
that perfectly functions...

sorry my english is so bad :-/

Best Regards

Has anyone tried contacting the seller or IBM in regards to drivers? *If* IBM actually used then in machines there must be a driver.

The seller does claim they are available, but then again he is the rudest SOB I have ever had to deal with and I would rather set my collection on fire then deal with him again.

Yeah, he ignored 3 Mails from me by now, so he's definitely not 'quite' the supportive kinda guy ::)

Anyway, maybe he can be arsed to finally share 'his precious' knowledge with us, after the "Ring of Profits" evil powers wear off  :P

btw, IBM plays 'hide & seek' as well, since I didn't get even an automated reply after a week now.

I telephoned now with IBM  :D

(IBM GERMANY)  :P


He said guarantees drivers is present

but we need to be the product number of IBM on the CARD must  ???

@ FalconFly can you times check whether so a number are present?


Here left for indentifikation
http://www-1.ibm.com/cgi-bin/pc/support/supportR5lite/pagegen?lang=de_DE
http://www-1.ibm.com/pc/support/en/docs/support/qtechinfo/en_US/images/18106_sticker1.jpg


it wished us much luck  ::)

only over this number to us said it can be helped to me

I only have all those numbers that I already posted.

None of these were usable in the IBM search Database.

The Serial No. is IMHO used only for complete Systems, e.g. finding Support for a Server, but there's no such number existing on the Card itself (which IMHO only carries the combined Part/Serial No. 09P1049, which does not turn out any Results).

PS.
I do pray to god I never have to rely on IBM Support pages in my lifetime, since this is by a fair margin the most painful Website I ever saw, trying to find any useful Information.
They really have to clean up their act, and get this mess of Products Pages mixed with totally irrelevant advertising Pages sorted out. Useful Information (if available at all) is at best buried somewhere after 10 Links of unessential to totally misleading Pages :P

Finding a DirectX3 SDK from the MicroSoft Download Center seems an easier Task than getting a plain Driver from IBM :P
-----------------
The Seller finally answered to my inquiries :

However, he said they pulled the Cards from IBM AS/400 and RS6000 Servers.

Beats me, but if true, there might be AIX- and Unix-Drivers available somewhere, albeit not useful for us ::)

There seem to be no useful Server specifications that also list the Video Options on IBM's Labyrinth of Product pages.
Heck, I couldn't even find the default Operating Systems those shipped with.
-------------
IMHO , it is the best to continue testing the latest available 3dfx Win9x/Win2k (WinNT?) Driver Files, since at least the Win9x Driver is good enough to at least run the Card within certain limitations.

I'll scan through my offline Archive and do a search for the DeviceID, maybe there's something useful hidden in those unevaluated Files.

wrote on 05.07.04 at 19:46:05:

@hutzeputz Excellent idea  ;) ps : don't worry about your english, no problem  :) The seller wrote helpful ?

no no assistance....
That the number this must be if the Card in genes would have:
Video card  sticker on the underside  FRU xxaxxxx
http://www-1.ibm.com/cgi-bin/pc/support/supportR5lite/pagegen/qtechinfo/de_DE/MIGR-4UCLGT.html?lang=de_DE&page=brand&brand=root&doctype=&subtype=All


but Falconfly the answer has already....
this Card does not have a number no in genes

Little hint :

If you have kids and want to keep them busy :
Tell them to find a Driver on IBM's Support Page :P

(remember to feed and water them frequently, they'll be gone for weeks and may need professional help after the experience)

What bugs me the most :
If it ever existed, they probably have the Driver...
...somewhere buried in their Software Archives...

We'd just need to take vacation and set out a Team of "the Fellowship" to find it.
(so we just need an Elf, a few Hobbits, a Dwarf and a few courageous humans)

wrote on 05.07.04 at 20:25:00:

Little hint : If you have kids and want to keep them busy : Tell them to find a Driver on IBM's Support Page :P

lmfao

*ugh*

Well, I'm in the progress of searching my entire Offline File Pool right now for "VEN_121A&DEV_000B" , as it should appear in the Driver's .inf File (if it claims to support the Voodoo4-2 4200 PCI).

So far, it turned up to exist in the following Drivers/Standalone File (which surprised me) :

3dHQ 1.09 Beta 5 Win2k/XP
3dfx Win9x 1.04.00
3dfx Win9x 1.04.01beta
3dfxvs2k.inf (unknown)

I'm still searching (lots of Files), but at least the Win9x Drivers have proven to at least work to some extend.

The Win2k ones I obviously never used or tested myself, so they're basically just candidates (but promising).

--- edit ---
Okidok, those are the ones found from already extracted Files.

I'll now unpack all 3dHQ Drivers I have and see in which others the String appears as well, and check out the actual Core Files used with them.

Follow-up findings :
3dHQ Beta 4 Win9x
3dHQ Beta 4 Win2k
3dHQ Beta 4 WinXP

(edit)
Since this Yabb Forum doesn't take attachments :
http://www.falconfly.de/temp/Inf.zip
(the unknown inf, seems to be modded and belong to the 3dfx V1.04.00 Win2k Driver)

I think all 3dHQ Drivers from Beta4 upwards should have the String in their .inf as well.

Oh, oh... The seller has cancelled the second ITEM! This guy is too much clever  >:(... He want to be rich!  :P

Regards,
Oscar

Odd...

He certainly won't get alot of money if he cancels those Auctions over and over (although possible someone made him an offer he couldn't resist)

Time to file a complaint- Excessive cancellation of auctions is forbidden under ebays rules.

I think that the  attitude of the seller, is for rise the price of the ITEM!

Regards,
Oscar

Don't despair, your time to buy one (for a much more reasonable price than I did) will come, one day or another.

After all, there actually aren't a whole lot of people seriously interested in the Cards, so the demand for them will naturally quickly vanish more and more, with each single one being eventually sold.

And let's not forget :
It's a Powerseller, so making some cash from what he sells is likely his daily living. "Capitalism unleashed" so to speak ;)

Looks like osckhar and me want the same thing ;D
Currently it looks like there enough cards for us available, so i won´t cry if i can´t get it....

And like hutzeputz i apologize for my english if it sounds bad

@Senfgnu,
Don't worry, the card is for you...  ;) I don't wish to increment more the price of the ITEM, without knowing if there are more samples. I think that the seller has more cards, and if I am wrong, I don't mind! :D

Regards,
Oscar

My bank account will love you ;D

Would not surprise me in the least if the seller started having people running the bid up next, lol.

I am proud and also glad so far to be where to few paid.

Surrimugge and Senfgnu (= computergnu) offer as if it the latter would be

:o

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5106233335

Does anybody know the winner?

wrote on 23.06.04 at 20:38:08:

http://www.falconfly.de/img/3dfx_archive_strikes_back.jpg ;D

hmmm I feel a disturbance in the Force, my friends.

May The Force Be With You, Always

Ben Kenobi.

Anyway, how much older is the 3dfx Spectre 1000 AGP 32MB to that of the 3dfx Voodoo4-2 4200 PCI 16MB?

Oh well....

Bad news :

I've tried all the Win2k Candidate Drivers, and also tried the naked .inf File with the 1.04.00.

The Result is always the same, regardless of Driver used :

As soon as the Desktop Video Mode is initialized, the entire Screen and the Mouse Pointer instantly become completely garbled, and the machine locks up seconds after that.

Looks like Hank Semenec was right, the Win2k Driver Cores make a DRAM Init (based on SD-RAM I figure), which instantly screws the DDR SDRAM timings.

btw, Win2k would like to see exactly this line in the .inf (to accept an automatic instead of forced Installation) :

PCI\VEN_121A&DEV_000B&SUBSYS_019B1014&REV_01

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So that is basically the end of my Possibilities, I only got the Win9x Drivers to work semi Stable, that's it.

The last Service I can provide is the Card's BIOS :
http://www.falconfly.de/temp/Voodoo4-2_4200_Supported_BIOS_v105.BIN
(64k)

Maybe someone can generate useful Info out of it...

Open the file with a hex editor, all sorts of information.

Yes,this problem I have with AM3.0 for example. But I can really recomend for W2k this: x3dfx Voodoo4/5 Win2K V1.07.00

It is working for me.

Hi, :D


Quote:

But I can really recomend for W2k this: x3dfx Voodoo4/5 Win2K V1.07.00 It is working for me.

Then , this dirver works under WinXP, too?

Regards,
Oscar

wrote on 08.07.04 at 11:03:03:

But I can really recomend for W2k this: x3dfx Voodoo4/5 Win2K V1.07.00 It is working for me.

For this Voodoo4-4200???
Functions this driver x3dfx Voodoo4/5 Win2K V1.07.00


Is that completely safe?
Also does 3d or only 2d function?
are there error or problems?
Is there which to consider?

Answer thanks for those!
Regards
hutzeputz

by Salesman:

"THIS IS THE LAST OF THESE TESTED CARDS THAT WE HAVE IN STOCK"
Is to say,  will exist more samples?

Regards,
Oscar

Hm, the x3dfx Win2k 1.07.00 VSA Display and Miniport Cores are dated 14 Feb 2001, V5.0.2195.31 ...

Might be worth a shot, although the Card's parameters aren't explicitly listed in its .inf ....

My Daytona AGP isn't also in the list. I install this driver through device manager.

I love this sellar, i asked him where the hard drive was that had the drivers for card before falconfly bought his and he never got back to me, so i asked him again and told him card was no good without drivers, here's his reply --> REALLY? THESE STILL GO FOR 300 TO 500 WITH NO DRIVERS, seems its just about the money since thats all he mentioned, no customer service on ebay.

wrote on 09.07.04 at 00:31:48:

here's his reply --> REALLY? THESE STILL GO FOR 300 TO 500 WITH NO DRIVERS, seems its just about the money since thats all he mentioned, no customer service on ebay.

Tell him that they would probably sell for 500 - 1000 if he supplied the drivers with the cards!  ;)
See what his next move is then! ;D I can bet you he gives out the drivers in an instant (if indeed, money is all he cares about).

To be honest though, do we know he has any drivers for the cards?  :-/
I mean, he only says in his auctions that "the cards boots up as 'Voodoo4-4200'" or whatever, and that he has done some 2D testing.  He never once mentions that he has tested 3D or used the card for games (or whatever we want to use it for) so there is a chance they may NOT be a set of correct drivers for this card, available.  Worrying? :-/

Re-read the auction-

"POST SCREEN SHOWS THIS CARD EXACTLY LIKE THIS:
3DFX VOODOO4-2 4200"

"TESTED GOOD TO WINDOWS DESKTOP."

States nothing about drivers being installed, the card is in VGA 16 color mode.

"YOU MAY NEED TO DOWNLOAD DRIVERS FROM MFG'S WEBSITE."

That might be true but we need an IBM pn.

"Item is represented as accurately as possible!
However, item is sold "as is", no return unless otherwise specified in the auction description."

He has covered his butt fairly well.

Yep, and let's not forget :

So far, all Testing & Results came from one single User so far (who still has one Driver Core to test on it) ;)

Maybe others have more luck, once their Cards arrive...

well the guy emailed back the hard drives are long gone and said hes sorry he cant help, that was cool, oh well good luck with those cards

I emailed the guy, I'm really hoping I get a reply. ???


Quote:

Interesting auction you have there. I've never heard of IBM making a 3dfx card before. If possible can you tell me exactly what IBM computer this card came out of? Is there anyway you can find the drivers for the card in one of the IBM computers hard drives? Was the card running on a Windows platform with drivers installed? I'm sorry for all the questions and I'm sure you've been asked it many times. I'm really sorry but I must know more about the drivers. A p/n from one of the IBM computers it came from would be the most helpful in finding the drivers from IBM. It's on the side of the machine and looks like a white sticker. Here's a picture. I really want this card SO bad, but it's useless without drivers. http://www-1.ibm.com/pc/support/en/docs/support/qtechinfo/en_US/images/18106_sticker1.jpg

Well, all those Questions he already answered...

Still, that leaves one with little hope to ever get original Drivers for it.

Alright, I'll start pulling Cards from my Main rig again, and give the x3dfx Win2k 1.07.00 a Test.

--- edit ---

Hm, the Driver indeed works, in so far that I get a normal Desktop, looking good for anything 2D related :)

Bad news however is :
Every 3D Application I launch (Direct3D, Glide) does exhibit severe Rendering errors with it, and eventually Crashes the machine after a short while... :(

wrote on 10.07.04 at 21:30:44:

Alright, I'll start pulling Cards from my Main rig again, and give the x3dfx Win2k 1.07.00 a Test. --- edit --- Hm, the Driver indeed works, in so far that I get a normal Desktop, looking good for anything 2D related :) Bad news however is : Every 3D Application I launch (Direct3D, Glide) does exhibit severe Rendering errors with it, and eventually Crashes the machine after a short while... :(

That sucks! So you have 32bit color with a good resolution now?

I only had it set to 640x480 and 1024x768 16bit , but I'm sure all other Resolutions would be fine as well (just like under Win9x).

At least the cards works! :)Hopfully someone can take the time to modifiy some drivers for the daytona.  8)

Warning; If you have a dead card seller will tell you-

"All video cards we sell tested are sold as is."

So if he states it's tested to desktop he is full of crap and take it will a grain of salt.

Good luck Osckhar, hope the card isn't a dud.

Quote:

Good luck Osckhar, hope the card isn't a dud.

I hope and wish that the card is OK!

Regards,
Oscar

Congratulations Osckhar,
now you are owner of a daytona  ;D
I hope the card is in good condition, do you want to use it under Win98 or Win2000/XP ?

Hola Rolo01,


Quote:

Congratulations Osckhar, now you are owner of a daytona   I hope the card is in good condition, do you want to use it under Win98 or Win2000/XP ?

I am utilizing both on the same system, but anyway I prefer WinXP.

Regards,
Oscar

Ascend.. hm.. never heard of them

Can be easily replaced with more 'nobile' 64bit ddr chips if you want  ;D ;)

wrote on 14.07.04 at 12:21:21:

- The Card boots (right from the first start) (i'm under Millenium) and i see exactly like FalconFly : Voodoo4-2 4200 Supported Bios - Version 1.05 Copyright (C) 1990-2000 Elpin Systems, Inc. All Rights Reserved 3dfx Interactive, Inc. Total DDR Video Memory Size: 16384k - Next step : the driver

Good luck on that. :)

Have we heard anything else from this seller, recently?  ???

Has anyone seen him, selling anymore of this cards, now presumed to be "untested" as he said he was selling the last of the "tested"?

I don't think he's selling anymore. :-/ but you never know... ;D

Hi  ;D,

The card has arrived to home already,  ;D It boots perfectly. It has arrived with 2 pins distorted (Heat Sink), for the rest, all perfect!  The display shows the following:

VOODOO4-2 4200 VERSION BIOS 1.05
DDR Video 16Mb

The Memory is:
ASCEND 004S
AD432W3224VLA-6

The PCB:
Product Of Mexico
Rev A1 4600
210-0424-001-A1

p.d. My first DAYTONA CARD.  8)

Regards,
Oscar

Congrats, so as of now we have 3 working Cards in total :)
(albeit with varying Driver testing Results)

I'll do one more test with a new File I received, maybe I can get it to work completely tonight.

Thanks FalconFly :)


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I'll do one more test with a new File I received, maybe I can get it to work completely tonight.

Great News!!!  ;D

One thing, Does Driver is under Win9x?

Regards,
Oscar

Nope, that's a Win2k/XP Driver, compiled only a few days ago for the Daytona ;D

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compiled only a few days ago for the Daytona

Wonderful!  :o

Regards,
Oscar

@FalconFly,
¿Have you tried the new driver?

LET ME KNOW! I haven't patience!  ;D

Regards,
Oscar

Sorry, I'm too tired to do any serious testing or Card swapping.

All that has to wait until the weekend, right now I'm not too useful :P
(it's too warm here to even move, 29°C in my Main Room, more like 35°C in the room with the majority of my Network http://www.falconfly.de/img/unhappy.gif ... and that's at 23:30 Local )

Our friend has cards up for sale again.

Indeed, @gdonovan is correct... ::)

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5111262055&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT

The "BUY IT NOW" is set at £216 ($399)...well THERES a surprise! ::) :P

It'll be annoying if he keeps 'materialising' cards every so often... >:(

...even if it means more chances to get one! ::)

You can get the servers that this card is pulled from for much less

heck even sun ultra 5's sell for half that price, and i would seriously donate my right nut for one of those.

Well, I'd be quite careful, one received a defective Card, and Hutzeputz (VoodooAlert) so far received "nothing" ::)

And if anyone sees an AS-400 or RS-6000 for 200$, let me know please. Cheapest I've ever seen here were anywhere between 800$ to 1500$, and those never shipped with a 3dfx Card ;)
Old SUN's are a cheap bargain compared to those...

wrote on 24.07.04 at 04:49:20:

It'll be annoying if he keeps 'materialising' cards every so often... >:(

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BULK &  DEALER SALE QUESTIONS ARE WELCOME.

;D

Quote from seller-

"STILL WONT SELL YOU ONE GARY............BUT I WILL TOSS ONE AGAINST THE WALL FOR YOU:)"

Oh well, anyway, if sufficient Cards do turn up, everyone should be able to get one in the near future, one way or the other...

The more people buy a Card (that turns out to work, some seem in pretty bad condition unfortunately), the lower the price will naturally drop.

Hmm...

News Update :

- the Card works under Win2k now
- seems there were 2 Connectors (bent) around a Voltage Regulator on the Card, that went unnoticed by me and interfered with each other

Working drivers :
- x3dfx Win2k V1.07.00 and V1.07.00beta

2D (Desktop) : Perfect :)
3D : less than perfect unfortunately

About the same Problems/Artifacts occur, when certain Applications run.

3D Mark 2001SE B330 (Direct3D) :
...Card produces severe Rendering errors

PC Player Benchmark (Direct3D Edition) :
...almost flawless, but there's a Problem with incorrect Alpha blending around the simple Tree Textures

Looks like the Drivers do not work very well on the Alpha Blending part, and produce significant errors as soon as one, or worse multiple layers of Alpha Transparency are being rendered.

Another strange thing :
The Display Property Page shows a total of 32MB Video Memory...
3D Mark's System Info as well lists the Card as 32MB (27MB remaining for textures in 1024x768x16 Desktop).
That could very well also be a contributing factor to the Problems.

I'd made a bunch of Screenshots (Tools, Digital Out, Rendering examples), that I'll edit into the Post later.

Funny detail :
With the old (unfortunately, I don't know remember which) 3dfx Drivers still installed on the System, it first booted up as a "Voodoo5 5500 PCI Mac" (?)

FalconFly,
What do Everest Home Edition (formerly AIDA32) and Sisoft Sandra say about the videocards memory?

And I'm a bit confused, is this a daytona (V4-2) or just a Napalm chip?

Already posted here :) :

http://www.falconfly-central.de/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?board=general;action=display;num=1087461219;start=120

Bottom line :
3dfx Tools (Win98 Info Tab) thinks : VSA-100

The Analysis Programs think : VSA-101 Daytona

Oops, sorry 'bout that! :)

Anyway, tried an FCC ID search?

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Oops, sorry 'bout that! :) Anyway, tried an FCC ID search?

Unfortunately, there is no FCC ID # on the Card.

I assume you've already sent an email towards IBM?
Mayby nVidia may also know something about this card?

Yes, the EMail to IBM...

...it remained unanswered, and a search on their chaotic "hide&seek our products" was a catastrophy.

Asking NVidia would be as good as asking a fortuneteller (although that one might actually make up an answer for the money ;) ) or the pope *g*

Screenshots from the Voodoo4-2 4200, Win2000, x-3dfx V1.07.00 Driver :

3dfx Digital Tab
Win2000 Video Information Tab
3dfx Color Tab
3dfx FSAA Tab

PC Player Direct3D-Bench Screenshot

3D Mark 2001SE b330, Car Chase (Low Detail)
Image 1
Image 2
Image 3
Image 4
Image 5

3D Mark 2001SE b330, Car Chase (High Detail)
Image 6
Image 7
Image 8

The fact that the 3dfx hub sees the chip as a VSA-100 is I believe the fault of either the BIOs or driver.

The artifacts might be caused by overheating or simply bad memory. Though I severely doubt it's overheating since osckhar's daytona went up to 180MHz without heatsinks if I'm not mistaking.

But, you never know, try underclocking to see if that gets rid of the artifacts.

Well, those are not simply artifacts as one would see from overheating RAM's, these are massive Rendering errors leading me to believe the error is buried elsewhere.

As stated in this Thread earlier, the Card works perfectly fine under MS-DOS using VESA Benchmarks upto 1024x768.

As the Programs seem to believe the Card has 32MB total Video RAM, that alone could results in the massive errors as well.

PS.
I also ran the old 3dfx Donut Demo in 1024x768, and it as well was showing massive Rendering errors, mostly corrupt Textures (eventually leading to a complete machine lock-up)

The Card's temperature was quite low all the time, and the RAM barely becomes warm, if at all.

Regarding the seller selling another of the cards,

... I told you all so!  ;) I've come across far too many sellers like this. The fact that he knows he is onto a good thing and has such a sought after item, has gone to his head and he seems to be on a power trip the way he talks to Gary.  >:(

@Falcon - can you confirm the findings of @Patience? ???

@Patience - how about some nice screens of the usual games / benchmarks... ;D

SUGGESTIONS
------------------

U.T. - in GLiDE
3Dmark 2000 / 2001
GLExcess
and anything else you want to do... ::) ;)

does the 4200 perform well with 2x FSAA in Glide?

Okay! :D

Kudos on getting it to FINALLY work @Patience! 8)

Could we have some screens now? ???

Also, it would be a good idea to LOCK this thread and start a new thread with the screen shots (this thread is turning into a 'monster' like the eBay one). ::)

Nuff said! :P

tbh, it sounds like we are coming to the end of the daytona topic now, but I suppose it depends on how much testing Patience decides to do with the card now that she's worked so hard to get it up and running.  :)

Probably been asked before but I don't have the time to look for the answer:

Do you guys (and girl(s)) suppose these cards have these 'issues' because of the amount of RAM? Would 32MB solve these issues?

I just have one question that might be of vital importance:

The cards were pulled from IBM systems.
Don't most of IBM's systems use Unix or so?

Little summing up: ;D

US $551.00 5102606935 Won by: falconfly_de
US $405.00 5107509001 Won by: osckhar
US $385.00 5103293634 Won by: mystychat
US $305.00 5106233335 Won by: csxt665
US $255.00 5105560183 Won by: bewegung123
US $239.50 5111262055 Won by: hideki_19

Total: US $2140,50 (About €2500 :o)

5104750493 Auction Cancelled

Lady Luck strikes again!

I had a friend on mine bid & win on a few of good ol' Bobs cards before he got greedy and started offering them at $49.99

I figured if I was lucky one would function, hence buying more then one.

(Long story, I was banned from bidding for asking questions, go figure)

So now I have 2 cards sitting on my desk.... One is the typical A1 revision with gold connectors & contact points, heatsinks and color green......

The other is a deep green, has 3 week eariler date, has hand lettering (A12) on it in several places.... no heatsinks... some hand reworked wiring.... and is revision A0.

SWEET!

I'll let you know if it works later! Busy day today!

http://www.3dfx.ch/gallery/albums/collectors_gdonovan/4200_16mb_front.sized.jpg

http://www.3dfx.ch/gallery/albums/collectors_gdonovan/4200_16mb_details.sized.jpg

NICE!

one for me perhaps  ::) :P ;D

@gdonovan - you JAMMY SWINE! TWO of 'em!!! :o :o

Anyhow, shock has now subsided... ::)

What's that on the back of the A0 card? ???

Is it a SMT resistor with a bit of green wire - an 'in-house' rework perhaps? ???

Also, an idea - it would be cool if BOTH cards worked...but if one of them doesn't, you could take it's RAM and put it onto the back of the other card to get a 32MB version... ;D

...just a thought! ::)

wrote on 18.10.04 at 23:04:10:

Is it a SMT resistor with a bit of green wire - an 'in-house' rework perhaps? ??? Also, an idea - it would be cool if BOTH cards worked...but if one of them doesn't, you could take it's RAM and put it onto the back of the other card to get a 32MB version... ;D

1) Yes it is an inhouse rework, I have a few 3dfx & Quantum cards with bits of wire like that.

2) Already have given that some thought! (adding ram)

Seems a shame to only expand it to 32MB seeing as the Daytona can handle 256MB ;D
I wonder how a 256MB Daytona card would perform at only 143MHz :P

wrote on 19.10.04 at 00:00:58:

Seems a shame to only expand it to 32MB seeing as the Daytona can handle 256MB ;D I wonder how a 256MB Daytona card would perform at only 143MHz :P

Hell man, if I had two that work that means I can overclock at least one as high as it will go ;-)

Just a thought I think I might have uttered before but can't recall- The more I look at these cards the more I think our friend bob is lying about how he obtained them.

What are the odds 3dfx sent a A0 board to IBM for use in a server? Pretty damn slim if you ask me, I bet bob found them in a dumpster.

If anyone is interested in a non-functioning 4200 drop me a line, I have one I'll be getting rid of.

I presume that this 'other' card is one you've ALREADY tested and found to NOT work? ???

Of course, if it's a "supplied AS-IS, use at your own risk due to being untested" type of card... :D

...I bagsy first pick! ;D 8)

Card does not function, has slight damage to back of PCB. I was going to send it out and see if it could be fixed but was cheaper to just try and buy another card.

http://www.3dfx.ch/gallery/albums/collectors_gdonovan/4200_for_sale_smaller.jpg

Someone beat you to "first dibs" by several hours, if we cannot come to an arrangement I'll drop you a note.

This 'bob' character is still selling these cards now, which he claimed to have none left.  $49.99 Buy It Now.

The guy is a dirtbag, said it once and I'll say it again.

Is he still selling them? Where?
* is absolutely interested.

Sure, no shipping outside of US or third party purchasing though and all cards are sold non-functional.

That's two reasons to curse :P
I wonder if there are more of these IBM systems out in the world. Would be nice if we could find them ;D

Seriously doubt it.  This guy got lucky stumbling upon these, but he has milked the situation and rubbed a lot of the 3dfx community the wrong way by the sounds of things.

Without a doubt one of the most annoying video cards made by 3dfx. It's pissy about platform used, cranky about chipset and downright unstable.

Run on a P-Pro 200? forget it, even after wiping the hard drive twice, distorted text in windows. Boot on my PII-BX based boards? Still no go even after flashing the bios.

I finally got a card working somewhat by flashing the bios, using the bin file from my 32 mb card. Card is up and running on a P-200 TX based board.

This fixed a number of problems (like not being able to boot into windows no matter what driver was used) but some other problems remain...

GLQuake works perfect but without the minidriver. With the minidriver some textures are broken and the game locks up after a few seconds. Without the minidriver it runs for hours with no problem.

Turok works perfect.

Unreal locks up while launching.

I'm thinking the problems are related to the incorrectly reported memory size.

I'll keep everyone updated.

Wadda hell?!

:o

Our webmaster got this card for 551 $?!

Men, are you rich?

;D

No, I just wanted a Card with a good chance of getting it to work.

At least under Win9x, I had it up & running in the end, something probably not many Voodoo4-2 owners can claim to date ;)

Guess that was worth the money.

wrote on 09.11.04 at 21:33:09:

At least under Win9x, I had it up & running in the end, something probably not many Voodoo4-2 owners can claim to date ;)

Heck it took me 4 tries ;-)

Card still running flawless under GLQuake/Win98.

I'm waiting to hear back from someone who can modify the bios so the correct memory size is reported and test the other programs again.

Just a note to make something perfectly clear- I do NOT endorse flashing video card bios' if it can be avoided.

In this case I had two Daytona cards with the only real difference between the two being the ram size. The original bios was backed up and standing by in case the new bios didn't program AND another non-3dfx PCI video card was standing by in case I had to restart the machine with a dead 3dfx card and reflash it.

Flashing your card with the wrong bios (sgram vs sdram for example) will ruin your whole day and just might earn you a dead card. When in doubt, leave it be.

I even use non-interruptible power supplies and line conditioner just in case the power company is having a bad day too.

Just a thought.

Have you tried that russian TDFX Bios Editor ?

I didn't check in a while, but they have English ReadMe pages as well now.

wrote on 09.11.04 at 22:09:06:

Have you tried that russian TDFX Bios Editor ?

No, just compared them with a hex editor.

Major differences between the two, the 32 MB card might actually have a more refined bios. (it came from HS and works flawless)

Quake II and III-  No problem at all (no mini drivers used or even tried)

Unreal locks up, UT works but has bad textures like Quake minidriver and locks up after a few seconds.

Forcing Direct X in UT gets you a good picture, for about 2 seconds then locks. OpenGL on the other hand works and almost gives you a good picture (some broken textures) much better then Glide anyway.

Forsaken with benchmark demo- Perfect under Glide or Direct X.

Was there a Glide option on Forsaken? I thought it was DX5 only. Was a cool game though, reminded me of Descent2, my all time favorite!!

wrote on 10.11.04 at 04:52:34:

Was there a Glide option on Forsaken?

There is in the benchmark version I'm using.

wrote on 09.11.04 at 21:33:09:

No, I just wanted a Card with a good chance of getting it to work. At least under Win9x, I had it up & running in the end, something probably not many Voodoo4-2 owners can claim to date ;) Guess that was worth the money.

Samer here, I'm glad mine works too. :)

NEWS:
My Daytona card works flawless under WinXP using NuDriver 2K "X^2" from NuAngel. In mode 2D perfect and in 3D mode there are errors.

3DMark2000:
16Bits without problem
32Bits errors

3DMark2001:
16Bits problems during 2 first games (CAR), later everything perfect.
32Bits too much errors.

http://www.3dfx.ch/gallery/albums/album79/Daytona_PROPIEDADES.jpg

ps. Windows recognizes the card with 32Mb.

REgards,
Oscar

my card arrived yesterday....

GL quake, Turok and 3DMark 2000 (even 32Bit) works flawlessly  ;D

first i used a KT266 Board with a Duron 1200 and Windows XP... i tried the Raziels Evolution Driver... but the even the desktop was corrupted and freezed after a few seconds...

then i tried the good old voodoo 3(on)Board MS-6168 with P3  450Mhz and Win98.... used Amigamerlin 2.9 and everything works fine! (the onboard Voodoo3 was disabled in  the device manager...)

two more pics of the card here: http://www.3dfx.ch/gallery/album38?page=2

http://www.3dfx.ch/gallery/albums/album38/1_G_002.jpg