Well it's official! ::)

Compaq / HP mainboards are EVIL - EEEEEVIL I tells ya'! >:(

What's this all about... :P

Well, those who read around the board a LOT will have seen me hinting at an upgrade to my 3Dfx rig. ;)

And that it would 'resurrect' a old thread in the forum... ;)

Which was THIS thread... ;D

http://www.falconfly-central.de/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?board=offtopic;action=display;num=1110118942;start=10#10

Yes I finally have the parts to get my Wildcat 2110 GFX card working... ;D

...problem is that the ONLY mainboard that supports the card is from Compaq (pretty obvious since it's an OEM Compaq card). ::)

Why is this bad? ???

Well, as I discovered - ALL of the pin headers on the Compaq mainboard are CUSTOM. >:(

So unless you have a Compaq case - you're screwed! >:(

(even if you manage to find the pinout - it STILL doesn't work) >:(

So now I have to find the case for a Compaq AP550 to go with the mainboard... >:(

GRR! >:(

hmm still wierd Paul, the Compaq Voodoo 3 1000 as 3500C cards are Compaq OEM cards as well, but they function flawlessly in custom built orsay IBM Clone PC's, strange that that Wildcat doesn't cope.

Heh, it's not that it can't cope - LOL! ;D

The Wildcat is a workstation card and is AGP Pro 110. :P

This means to get it running, you need an AGP Pro 110 slot with a PCI slot beside it (yeah, it uses both). :o

So when I said that few mainboards support this - I wasn't kidding! ::)

...I'll solve it eventually though! ;)

just buy a Tyan Thunder K8W ;)

AGP Pro x8 110Watt
1x 133Mhz PCI-X slots
1x 100Mhz PCI-X slots
2x 66Mhz 64Bit PCI Slots [ also backwardscompliant with PCI 32Bit]
1x 33Mhz Legacy PCI 32 Bit slot

http://www.tyan.sk/image/s2885_l.jpg

it supports Dual Core Opteron 265, 270, 275, 280 as 285 CPU's with the latest bios flash :)

A friend of mine has this beast, and it can swallow 8GB PC3200 ECC Reg per CPU and it has Dual channel DDR 400 per CPU in total 12.8GB per sec max ram bandwidth :)

This board should fix your problem with ease!

Yeah, I researched that board as a possibility too...but it's WAAAY too expensive to buy dual Opterons. :P

Also, this board is no good, as the PCI slot beside the AGP Pro 110 is a 64bit slot - not a 32bit slot like I need... ::)

So I'm stuck with the Compaq mainboard... :P

Dual Opteron's are cheap, just take 2 OpteroDP 244's really not that expensive ;)

they are something like 143 euro's a piece over here.

YAY! Finally! ;D

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200088006550&ssPageName=STRK:MEWN:IT&ih=010

...now I just have to wait for it to arrive... ::)

@Obi_Wan told me about THIS mainboard, which would also work with my workstation GFX card... ;)

MSI MS-9130 Pro K8T Master2 FAR7

...but like I said, dual Opterons are out of my price range! :-/

the FAR7 is the MS9617 my mistake there , that one has AGP Pro x8 50 watt slot and that Tyan Thunder K8W has an AGP Pro x8 110 Watt slot.

my bad for naming the FAR7 wrongly :-X

the MS-9130 is the predecessor of the MS-9617, the MS-9130 has the VIA Apollo K8T800 chipset which supports Hyper Transport 1.0 which opperaties @ 800Mhz and up to Dual OpteronDP 250 CG stepping max.

The MS-9617 has the VIA Apollo K8T800 Pro chipset supports Hyper Transport 2.0 which opperates @ 1Ghz and the board supports all Socket 940 CPU's up to Dual OpteronDC 285, Opteron 8 series would work as well.

shame that Opterons are too expensive, the Opteron 242 the cheapest model is around 120 euro's apiece, you could crank them up easily to Opteron 250 speeds if you have a nice core :)

Oh well I understand your point and I know it hurts, Opterons are so nice it really hurts to be true espeacially if you can't afford them :'( , hereby I feel your pain :'(

Hey Paul, I remember one old'n'reliable motherboard with AGP PRO - Asus A7V133 (-c); it's an old VIA KT133A based MB, one of the best. It has AGP pro and a lot of PCI slots. It has nothing integrated and overclocks woderfully. It may be an old one, but it may still bring some performance with an Athlon XP T'bred ~ 2 Ghz. It could maybe even work with a Barton...

I am also using one system based on KT133A, with the old king - V5 5500 and 768MB RAM and Windows 98... Works great.

heh my ASUS A7V333-R Rev.1.02 also has an AGP Pro x4 50 Watt slot ;)

it's advantage is that it can swallow 3x 1GB PC2700 and AthlonXP 2700+ for CPU.

The Rev2.0 can go up to AthlonXP Barton 3000+.
here my AthlonXP 2700+ setup with ASUS AX800XT Platinum Edition AGP 256MB GDDR3, you can see that the AGP slot is an AGP Pro x4 slot since it's alot longer than the shorter normal AGP x4 slots :)

it's even universal so every 3dfx AGP card can work in it, the only card that won't function is a Voodoo 5 6000, the 5000 AGP ran flawlessly :)
http://www.3dfx.ch/gallery/d/6939-2/Voodoo5_5000_AGP_resolution_settings.jpg http://www.3dfx.ch/gallery/d/6942-2/Voodoo5_5000_AGP_info.jpg http://www.3dfx.ch/gallery/d/6945-2/Voodoo5_5000_AGP_FSAA_x4_setting.jpg

the Windows 2000 Professional layout is from the Un-Official Service Pack 2.03 for windows 98SE :)

Here the AX800XT PE AGP in the AGP Pro X4 slot :)
http://www.3dfx.ch/gallery/d/18039-2/System+Cabling+Layout.JPG http://www.3dfx.ch/gallery/d/18018-2/AX800XT+PE+AGP_+5500PCI+SBA2Palt-eX+cabling+top+view.JPG

I kinda fixed that retention bracket of my AX800XT PE AGP, since it was flipped the wrong way round lol. ::)

The AX800XT PE AGP functions flawlessly in AGP x4 mode, just make sure you don't enable FastWrites, since Fast Writes causes problems same with GeForce cards.
http://www.3dfx.ch/gallery/d/17720-2/Loki+installed.jpg

wrote on 21.03.07 at 00:04:46:

The AX800XT PE AGP functions flawlessly in AGP x4 mode, just make sure you don't enable FastWrites, since Fast Writes causes problems same with GeForce cards.

Not true. Fastwrites only cause problems with AMD+ATI combination. ATI+Intel = Fastwrites OK, NV+(AMD/Intel) = OK.

wrote on 21.03.07 at 12:42:17:

Not true. Fastwrites only cause problems with AMD+ATI combination. ATI+Intel = Fastwrites OK, NV+(AMD/Intel) = OK.

cut teh crap lol I have tested it myself  >:( your post is illogical.
I even got Fastwrites working on my Dual OpteronDP 244 that was with the X800 XT PE AGP the same card I use now in the AXP 2700+, the Ti4600, 6800 AGP as 6800GT AGP also ran with problems on the KT333 and Fast Writes, on the Opteron system there were no problems to be found ;)

so don't babble around that I am lieing, which would be rather ghey.

wrote on 21.03.07 at 17:21:55:

cut teh crap lol I have tested it myself  >:( your post is illogical. I even got Fastwrites working on my Dual OpteronDP 244 that was with the X800 XT PE AGP the same card I use now in the AXP 2700+, the Ti4600, 6800 AGP as 6800GT AGP also ran with problems on the KT333 and Fast Writes, on the Opteron system there were no problems to be found ;) so don't babble around that I am lieing, which would be rather ghey.

It's totallty logical, since I've tested quite a few configurations myself. I am not sure about GF6800, nor the new Radeons (nor Opterons for that matter), but 'till my PC-Servicer days (Radeon 9800/FX 5900 /NF2/VIA KT600 /i865/875 era) it's as I say in general. If you ran into some problems, that's because of a specific driver (software) and/or specific mainboard - not FW.

The newer cards may not have this issues, so I cannot guarantee that you're not correct to some point, but anyway - Paul is getting himself an oldie, an' not a shiny new R600 or 8800 (nor opteron, for that matter).

And - you have something against gheys, I presume? ;D

Can I ask a stoopid question?

Does ghey mean "gay"?

@ Gamma742

you have PM.  

@ elfuego

It's the way your lecture came my way:

wrote on 21.03.07 at 12:42:17:

Not true. Fastwrites only cause problems with AMD+ATI combination. ATI+Intel = Fastwrites OK, NV+(AMD/Intel) = OK.

And that was the reason why I used teh word ghey, i came a little too erey over my mind, because what i said was true, it's that I have tested it my self, here my experience, if I may: ;)

Since if it would cause problems with FW, why did my AthlonXP 2600+ Barton setup on ASUS A7N8X Deluxe 2.0 run fine with fast Writes? I tested the Hercules 9700 Pro, Club3D 9700 Pro, Connect3D 9800Pro as X800 XT PE AGP in that system setup with as with out Fast Writes and no funny stuff nor matter what ;)

the chipset was a nVidia nForce2 SPP MCP-T with the nVidia MCP-T Southbridge chip for the nVidia Sound Storm Audio.
http://www.linuxhardware.org/images/articles/nf2kt400-071003/ASUS-A7N8X-Board.jpg

that was the best Socket A mobo with NF2 I have ever used.

I don't bother if people are gay or not @ least that they go on do'n their stuff, since that they are just humanoids like us, it's just a word we PP people say when we don't like responses or getting nonsense lectures from others ;)

Which was the neat way of explaining teh word ghey lol.
BTW the 8800 is old the R600 is not ;)

Anyways let's get back ontopic, shall we ;)

maybe that ASUS A7N8X Deluxe rev 2.0 is an idea Paulpsomiadis it has an AGP x4/x8 Pro 50 watt slot :)

I've heard people say "That looks GAY!" and I don't think the meant that it looked good or nice.

Used to be, "gay" meant happy!

Now I think it's a softer way of saying that you are homosexual if you say "I'm gay" Donno :-/ This is an international forum so it may have a different meaning in the international community.

I was just trying to clarify if ghey meant gay. I think it does be more in a slang sort of way :-/


BTW before I give someone the wrong idea, I'm not gay. I'm a guy that is married to a wonderful woman that has tolerated me for 30 years ;D Married for 28 of those 30 years ;)


I think this smiley looks ghey :D No disrespect to anyone that may happen to be gay.

Lolz bout teh smiley it does look ghey somehow lolzz.

But hey I ain't gay either lolz, I'm still a single bloke and enjoying 30 years of my freedom with digging up fossils as enjoying PC's 3dfx and ATi cards for the last 7 years w00t!

Most Jedi are loners, it's typical Jedi thing :)

wrote on 21.03.07 at 23:24:15:

I've heard people say "That looks GAY!" and I don't think the meant that it looked good or nice. Used to be, "gay" meant happy! Now I think it's a softer way of saying that you are homosexual if you say "I'm gay" Donno :-/ This is an international forum so it may have a different meaning in the international community. I was just trying to clarify if ghey meant gay. I think it does be more in a slang sort of way :-/ BTW before I give someone the wrong idea, I'm not gay. I'm a guy that is married to a wonderful woman that has tolerated me for 30 years ;D Married for 28 of those 30 years ;) I think this smiley looks ghey :D No disrespect to anyone that may happen to be gay.

Man, relax - I just wanted to have some fun. So what if somebody really is gay? That's just fine with me - more women for the rest of us (less competition)  ;) Sooo, let's use this ghey smiles a lot more  :D Hey, let's even change topic to: Ghey  :D

@the topic,
Obi, I had a bunch of problems with the combo of R9600/9700/9800 with the same MB as you did and on Abit NF7-S, MSI (NF2 chipset) and Abit KD7. The bloody thing that ATI integrated in Catalyst drivers called smartgart only worsens the situation. I really don't understand why did they ever developed such a dumb thing. It's even worse then catalyst control center (and that's bull's bottom). But it's understandable, I guess - every company has to have something dumb (look @ sys. registry in Windows). The most interesting thing of all, is that professional ATI drivers are still great - FireGL drivers don't have these dumb components - they just work, and work flawlessly.

Anyway, the same MB's with NV GF4 MX440/ti4200 ran smoothly with FW. With Intel based MoBos, never any problems with FW.

heh I used Omega drivers may be that's the major difference :-X sorry forgot to mention that, my bad :-X

the Catalyst conrol center looks ghey indeed :D, but it does work alot lighter when using the classic skin and in combination with Omega 7.01 no problems yet.

for the older R420 VPU's aka X800 XT PE AGP cards and below my advice is take usage of Omega Catalyst 6.03 with Radlinker 2.033

anyways to get back ontopic
Paulpsomiadis needs a mobo with an AGP Pro x2/x/4 110Watt slot hmm that's something different than a 50 watt one hmm.

Hey Paul what about the Tyan Thunder K7X Pro for Dual AthlonMP 2800+ it does have a nice 110 Watt AGP pro x2/x4 universal slot, that might be an idea too :)
http://www.gamepc.com/labs/view_content.asp?id=thunderk7x&page=1

Click To Enlarge 8)
http://www.gamepc.com/images/labs/rev-thundermpx-profile-small.jpg

Don't worry about mainboards guys - the problem is solved already! ;)

@Obi_Wan - I checked that mainboard too...same problem as the other Tyan mainboard... :-/

It has PCI 64 slots next to the AGP Pro 110 slot... :P

And can we PLEASE keep this thread on topic! >:(

No more "WTF is ghey" questions/comments... ::)

No more about "fastwrites", my card is an OLD card (around Y2K for date) so I don't care... ::)

And please keep ATI discussions in the ATI thread... ::)

no prob bud :)

but can't those PCI-X 133Mhz slots be reverse compliant with normal 32Bit 33Mhz PCI slots?

or is PCI-X different than 64Bit PCI 66Mhz which is reverse compliant?
If that would work you would of been saved by the bell.

I'll do some research on this since a friend of mine has a Dual Opteron setup with PCI-X 133Mhz 64Bit PCI slots as normal 66 MHZ 64 Bit pci slots, I'll ask him about this one for ya.

afaik know it is possible, since he used his SB 5.1 in one of those 66mhz 64 Bit Slots.

Yah, I think you're right about the 64bit PCI slots... :)

...they're supposed to be backwards compatible. ;)

The only reason I went for the custom Compaq board is for authenticity. ;D

The Wildcat 2110 was originally shipped in the Compaq AP550 machines for industry purposes. 8)

(my driver disc even says Compaq) ::)

Anyhow...whatever - problem solved! :)

ah coooooool!!! 8) ;D got some benchmarks like Unreal Tournament 4.36 does it run that well in OpenGL as D3D as Quake3 Arena?

well My Dualopteron Board has been ordered today, did take the MSI MS-9617, since it has a high possitive reputation from 2CPU.Com :)

and yes the 5500 PCI will be placed in it as well, the ASUS AX800XT PE AGP 256MB GDDR3 is the main VGA, since I still had that laying around :)

The CPU's Ill be adding in it are 2 nice OpteronDC 280's each CPU has Dual Core 2.4Ghz 1MB L2 per Core, a nice total of 4 cores with each 1MB L2 w00t ;D

2x 1GB PC3200ECC Reg CL2.5 equal stiks from Kingston HyperX.
the sound card is the Creative Labs Sound Blaster Audigy2 Platinum eX :) heh and my HDD's CD=DVD players are gonna be placed on it as well, anyways it's gonna be a nice and fast AGP x8 system, after all is done I will add a DX10 based AGP card from ATi with the RV630XT VPU or RV670 VPU if that will come, asfaik the X2600 XT [RV630XT] as X2800 Pro[RV670] will be made for the AGP x8 bus :)

it's mainly for music mixing with my Roland E-14 keyboard and some flight sims :) Mainly Dance music from the 90's :)

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got some benchmarks like Unreal Tournament 4.36 does it run that well in OpenGL as D3D as Quake3 Arena?

Nobody ever had the chance to benchmark the card in OGL games - which is EXACTLY why I'm building this system! ;D

I will be making EXTENSIVE benchmarks in OGL. ;)
(and GLiDE emulation using Zeckensacks GLiDE wrapper)

Also, since it is a professional card...NO D3D DRIVER! :'(

...but there may be a way around that one for 'certain' D3D games (namely a D3D -> OGL wrapper) ;)


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MB: MSI MS-9617   Sub VGA: 5500 PCI Main VGA: ASUS AX800XT PE AGP 256MB GDDR3 CPUs: 2 OpteronDC 280's Dual Core 2.4Ghz 1MB L2 RAM: 2x 1GB PC3200ECC Reg CL2.5 Kingston HyperX. Sound: Creative Labs Sound Blaster Audigy2 Platinum eX

OMFG! That will PWNS! :o 8)

ah right, well I can't wait till you get it fired up Paul :)

and heh that Dual OpteronDC 280 has in total 4 cores @ 2.4Ghz + 4x 1MB L2 in total :X, 2 cores per Opteron 280 each wth 2x 1MB L2.

in otherwords you coul see it as a Quad Core system with 4MB L2 cache with an AGP x8 slot :) this was the only way I could find for a quad core AGP x8 setup, just wonder how those new ATi DX10 AGP cards will do, which is also the next big thing for Sveta SMP 2007 8)


a system for music encoding and Flying the Big jets :)

wrote on 23.03.07 at 03:07:59:

Nobody ever had the chance to benchmark the card in OGL games - which is EXACTLY why I'm building this system! ;D I will be making EXTENSIVE benchmarks in OGL. ;) (and GLiDE emulation using Zeckensacks GLiDE wrapper) Also, since it is a professional card...NO D3D DRIVER! :'( ...but there may be a way around that one for 'certain' D3D games (namely a D3D -> OGL wrapper) ;) OMFG! That will PWNS! :o 8)

So you're building a machine for the Wildcat 2110?

Have you had good luck with that GLIDE wrapper on the Radeon series card?

Zeckensack's latest Glide wrapper runs fine, but for Glide I just switch to my Voodoo 5 5500 PCI instead Gamma742 :P

It's because the only real Glide is that from a real 3dfx based card ;)

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Have you had good luck with that GLIDE wrapper on the Radeon series card?

The latest version of Zeckensacks GLiDE wrapper works flawlessly on my Radeon 9700Pro...you'd swear it was a REAL 3Dfx card unless you knew different! ;D

Just use the wrapper in conjunction with the latest Omega drivers and you're set! ;)

(you'll need a good CPU though, maybe 2.0GHz or more) :)

wrote on 24.03.07 at 01:00:57:

Just use the wrapper in conjunction with the latest Omega drivers and you're set! ;)

Omega drivers for the Radeon or 3Dfx ???

I've never used a wrapper ::)

For Radeon Gamma742 :) look here mate ;)
http://www.omegadrivers.net/ati/win2k_xp.php

Have phun 8)