While I was runn'n through the net I came accross thsi cool card for people that still play thier stuff on the AGP bus :)

ATi Radeon X1950 Pro AGP x8 256MB GDDR3 :)
http://www.quickload.hostingvision.com/images/6317X1950%20Pro%20AGP.jpg

http://it.news.hu/f.php?mod=40&id=401889

and here the source of this wonderfull info :)

you van make a Pre-Order here :)
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatalog/ATI_AGP_Graphics_Cards.html

GeCube is the first to bring this baby out and finally a nice card to put against the Geforce 7800GS AGP and Gainward 7800GS+ BLISS Golden Sample which is actually a GeForce 7900GT AGP :)


- Powered by ATI Radeon X1950 PRO - 575MHz (RV570 80nm)
- 256MB-256bit 8 channel GDDR3 memory - 1.38GHz
- 36 Pixel shader processor
- Ultra-threaded SM 3.0 Engine
- 512-bit Ring-bus
- HDCP Ready!!
- Low power consumption (Consumes 60W less than equivalent X1900 XT)

This card will be an exellent upgrade for ATi users on the AGP bus :) I am planning to get one too w00t!

yep,seen the article few hours ago.I think I'll be getting one of those just for fun,it will be nice to have the last good-bye agp card from ati :)

yeah me too, my Athlon XP 2700+ is gett'n old, for very little money I can get the following parts :)

MSI K8T Master2 FAR7 VIA K8T-800 Pro chipset :) also supports dual core Opterons
http://www.komplett.nl/img/p/400/312222.jpg
2x Opteron 248
2x 1GB PC3200 ECC REG a Corsair XMS Platinum TwinX set.
ATI Radeon X1950 Pro AGP :)

got all the rest here it's like built that in set everything over and install it and play around with it, and those parts are very easy to find on ebay and so on, it doesn't have to be new or so :) the only new part would be the X1950 Pro AGP and maybe the memory :)


then FSAA + HDR + AF on the AGP bus is gonna be joyfull too ;D

WOOW! Very nice - and the card kicks ass too! ;D

(actually, I'll just take the booth babe please...) ;)


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MSI K8T Master2 FAR7

I wonder if anyone told MSI that their mainboard is FAR7ING...hmm, smelly! ::) :P

Well I had it's predecessor the MS-9130 K8T Master2-FAR for 2 years it never crashed NEVER.

MSI is well known of mak'n stable SMP boards, and these are good gamer SMP boards not cheapo Single CPU boards ;)

The dutch site http://Tweakers.net runs on MSI server boards without problems, they have a very good reputation here in The Netherlands. I know quite alot of people with MSI and they never have or had problems, it's just that some dweebo's just can't config a PC Properly there by blaming the Motherboards brand or CPU and stuff lol ::)

Just because it's branded with MSI it doesn't mean that's a bad board, that's just pure BS, MSI is also a very recommended A brand for SMP motherboards, since they are dead stable and can have alot of stress.

ABiT, ASUS, EPoX and Gigabyte are good too but mostly the MSI's have the higher score with pure speed and stabillity for cheaper but solid SMP sollutions. And if Money isn't your problem there is always Super-Micro,Tyan and the MSI WorkStation & Server class series :)

It's the chipset and layout that intrests me the most, VIA is well knowns of good drivers today, just install the latest Hyperion 4in1 driver and done it works not problems and what so ever, there are no problems with hard drive failures like with some crappy nForce chipsets, and also it's a pretty basic budget Workstation board and it can be seen as a highend Gamer board, depends on how you see the situation and on what you are gonna use it for :)

here a topic thread about this board:
http://forums.2cpu.com/showthread.php?t=66276&highlight=far7

I used to have the MS-9130 K8T Master2 FAR1, but this board seems to have been the better choice and I am willing to find one for the X1950 Pro AGP Card :)

It's gonna be my FS 2004 Flight Training System for the B744 aka Boeing 747-412.

Anywyas to get to the topic The X1950 Pro is indeed a very atractive piece of hardware, I'm really looking foreward to obtain it see what ATi's RV570 has in it's armament :)

I'll keep this topic updated for newer info and pics of the X1950 Pro AGP :) and let's hope for a nice 512Meg version as well :)

@ Gary

the X1950 Pro AGP might be the perfect ourcome for you as wello, then you would only have to upgrade from your X850 Pro AGP to a much faster X1950 Pro AGP :)

Now that's a card I'm waiting to get!  ;D  My regular 3200+ still might have some life left in it.  Can't afford to by a whole new rig so a vid card upgrade will do just nicely.

exactly, it the perfect sollution for many people that still make usage of the AGP bus ;) And believe me the most people still make usage of the AGP Bus and Not PCI-Express as most people think they do :)

That's sweet !

Too bad it took so long, but ATI did exactly the right thing now.

yeah cool hay,hay! better late than never my friends, Crikey this is cool.8)

I totally agree. There are plenty of Socket A boards out there, that people have maxed out (me for one). There are also the Socket 754 boards and some of the earlier 939 boards have AGP still, so I think this was the right thing to do and I still think there is a market out there for AGP. Granted this card is going to be slower then the PCI-e counter part but still. Much faster then the X850's we just got. For the little bit of money we paid for the x850's I can sell mine to my brother and dump that plus a little bit more on this card.  ;D

I mean I would love to go out a buy a new system, complete with a PCI-e slot, but for me it's a completely new machine then. New board, new chip, new memory (DDR 2), new drives and vid card. So by that point, I might as well buy a new case, keep my current box intact and build a new machine. Don't have the 1500 or more to do that. If I'm going to dump that kind of money into something with a over haul, I'm going to get the higher end stuff. So right now, for me until tax time this coming year or if I can put off until next year, I'm milking my XP3200+ for as much as I can.

that is the same way I think about my AthlonXP 2700+ it has a leadtek geForce 6800 AGP in it now, I recieved that from a good friend for free so normally I'm not alloud to complain there, which is very obvious.

but since there is this RV570 AGP com'n out why not ? it's always better than the 6800AGP 128MB I have now right :)

@ Jandarsun8

good move :)

I coudl sell my 6800 to my mom or dad haha like they really need it but my dad says if it makes may PC faster sure, so like your idea hehe, economicaly speaking ;) And yes ATi's are more than welcome in my systems 8)

Wonder if there will be a 512MB version? ???

I hope so! ;D 8)

yeah same a meah heh a 512Meg AGP card would kick butty bigtime :)

I suppose they they will be reverse AGP x4, x2 and x1 compliant :) would be fun to test on very old systems too just to see what happens LOL like a Pentium3 650Mhz LOL hahahaha This is gonna be alot of fun ;D 8)

A 512 card in a 650 PIII? I think you'd have better luck taking out the HD, installing the OS on the vid card it self in order to get the band width the data going to will need.  ;D

oh good news for who that have the R580 aka X1900 series

here's a fantastic Space Screen saver, packed with High Dynamic Range, Depth of Field Blur, Motion Blur, Soft Reflections, Soft Shadows, Pixel Shader and Vertex Shader 3.5 effects to the max
http://ati.amd.com/developer/demos/rx1900.html

Why ShaderModel 3.5 since that HDR & FSAA are combined ;)

it really astounded myself on what a single X1900 XTX can do, man some parts in this tech demo were like Crikey it's so realistic!
As the screensaver gave me such a perfect impression of what a Comet/Metiorite is like in flight close up or how a supernova is created by an exploding star, heh when that happens you get blinded by the High Dynamic Range effect!:o :o :o

Anyways it's a real must, if there are lads with X1800 cards I'm quite sure it will run on those as well since an X1900 class can do the same as an X1800 class, the only thing is that the X1900 XT 256/512 /XTX have 3 times the PixelSHader Processors the X1800XT 256/ 512 have, but I'm quite sure it will work 8)

heh about the P3 experiment, it did work with the following cards in AGP x2:

ASUS AX800XT Platinum Edition AGP 256MB GDDR3
XFX GeForce 6800GT Dual DVI AGP 256MB GDDR3
Leadtek GeForce 6800 AGP 128 MB DDR
Hercules 3D Prophet 9700 Pro 128MB DDR
Club 3D Radeon 9700 Pro 128MB DDR
Connect3D Radeon 9800 Pro 128MB DDR
Gigabyte GeForce FX 5700 AGP 128MB DDR
Leadtek GeForce4 Ti4600 128MB DDR
Leadtek GeForce3 Ti 500 64MB DDR

all cards worked in my sister's Pentum3 650Mhz on the EPoX EP-BX3 board setup, the system only has 3x 128MB PC-100 SDRAM LoL ;D

Why I test this, just to see if even an AGP x8 card will work stable in AGP x2 mode as AGP x1 mode, well these all passed I'm quite sure the X1950 Pro AGP surely do fine :)

The there's the AthlonXP 2700+ with AGP x4 :) which isn't a problem for all cards.

Anyways to get back to the X1950 Pro AGP, I quite think that card will fit in nicely since it was exactly what was missing like a missing link idea. Can't wait to see one inaction even by this time of day an high End AGP card is always something great to experience with :)

wrote on 26.10.06 at 00:23:02:

I suppose they they will be reverse AGP x4, x2 and x1 compliant :) would be fun to test on very old systems too just to see what happens LOL like a Pentium3 650Mhz LOL hahahaha This is gonna be alot of fun ;D 8)

..I dont think the card will run in an agp 1x or 2x slots,but agp 4x universal slots should be okay..

I think it will since the 6800's and the X800XT PE AGP did cope well in AGP x2 and 1 :) We'll see soon ;D I'll keep you all updated :)

And here we have the official homepage! ;)

http://www.powercolor.com/global/main_product_detail.asp?id=137

And this is interesting from the specs...


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Fully Crossfire and BTX compatible

But HOW would you do crossfire? ???

You'd have to have one AGP and one PCI-X slot! :o
(not to mention the fact that they would have to be able to work as separate and not 'shared' slots - unlike what most mainboards do...)

WEIRD! :P :-/

ahuh wierd indeedydo Paul:)

Okay! Here some X1950 Pro AGP card brand news:

PowerColor:
http://www.powercolor.com/global/main_product_series.asp?int=agp&chp=x1950
http://www.powercolor.com/global/images/assets/AGP_X1950_X1950%20PRO%20256MB%20AGP/PSD/image_a_s.jpg

Sapphire was releasing one as well but kinda lost that info lol :)

I just read a review for an ATI based PCI board not long ago.

It used the later chipset and the site that did the review was of the opinion it would make a nifty "physics co-prosessor"

Not sure if this is the review but you get the idea-

http://www.bootdaily.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=130&Itemid=56

yeah the performance is quite great of this baby :)

and that performance for the AGP version would be exellent for the AGP people :) I'm very happy for them that something like this came out :)

oh oke PCI-32Bit heh yeah that might be it :) since it is about a X1300 PCI :) quite amazed of the Quake4 and Oblivion performances on reso 800 x 600 x32 with a PCI-32Bit card! but then again go higher than 800 x 600 the depressions start to fill in the story line.

Simply not a gamers card? maybe not since most onboard VGA's can beat it.

but for the physics part any ATi PCI-Express card can be used :)

If AI buy the X1900 CrossFire Edition I can use it as 2 3 things :)

as the CrossFire card
as a Physics card
as a secondary VGA.

but instead of that could also go cheap and use an ATi X1600 pro as a Physics card or second VGA. But I'm go'n for the CrossFire card for the CrossFire setup would be the most logic way for my part :)
could always add a PCI Physics card in the system or a PCI ATi card.

It's mine ;)

You've bought one?

If so: I'd like to know if the board is using a PCI-Express chip with PCIe/AGP bridge or if it's a real AGP graphics chip :)
_{My guess is a PCI-Express chip with bridge on an AGP board.}

I'm thinking it's using a PCIe/AGP bridge. It's the quickest and easiest way to get it market with out re-enginering the whole card. The X1950 Pro cards just came out and took the place of the X1900 GTO cards so that's why I'm thinking that it's a bridge setup.

wrote on 29.10.06 at 21:23:15:

I'm thinking it's using a PCIe/AGP bridge. It's the quickest and easiest way to get it market with out re-enginering the whole card. The X1950 Pro cards just came out and took the place of the X1900 GTO cards so that's why I'm thinking that it's a bridge setup.

Probably so. Several (if not all?) ATi Radeon X800 cards (R430) used a bridge too.

not all X800 cards were R430 based ;)

the following AGP models are R420 based:

Mobillity Radeon 9800
X800SE
X800 Pro
X800 XT
X800 XT PE

the following PCI-E models are R423 based:
X800SE
X800 Pro
X800 XT
X800 XT PE

The following AGP as PCI-E are R430 based:
X800
X800XL

Ah, ok. Thanks for the info :)
With ATi Radeon X800 I mean 'the' ATi Radeon X800 (not all the variants of it) ;)
And, are all X800's ('the' X800) based on the R430 or on other cores too?

Do you have a list of all ATi Radeon X800-based cards (all models) with a PCIe chip on an AGP board + bridge as well?

wrote on 29.10.06 at 21:48:26:

Ah, ok. Thanks for the info :) With ATi Radeon X800 I mean 'the' ATi Radeon X800 (not all the variants of it) ;) And, are all X800's ('the' X800) based on the R430 or on other cores too? Do you have a list of all ATi Radeon X800-based cards (all models) with a PCIe chip on an AGP board + bridge as well?

here's the answer all X800 based GPU's listed:

wrote on 29.10.06 at 21:43:50:

not all X800 cards were R430 based ;) the following AGP models are R420 based: Mobillity Radeon 9800 X800SE X800 Pro X800 XT X800 XT PE the following PCI-E models are R423 based: X800SE X800 Pro X800 XT X800 XT PE The following AGP as PCI-E are R430 based: X800 X800XL

though the X800 and X800XL were based on the X850 series aka R481 for AGP and R480 for PCI-E ;)

No, actually I don't have It... I think that I'll buy It soon... Now I have a Radeon X800!
Both use a pci-e 2 agp bridge I presume...

yeah , isn't that chip called ATi Ralito or something?

Rialto ;)

yeah that's it hehe kinda lost the spellig but did have the idea it was that :) dunno wha Nvidia used though, also something like that I ashume for thier GeForce 7800GS AGP cards.:)

hah!
http://www.atacom.com/program/atacom.cgi?USER_ID=www&cart_id=665893_71_254_66_65&SEARCH=SEARCH_ALL&ordered_number=&KEYWORDS=8800&Disp_item2.x=0&Disp_item2.y=0

800USD for the BFG 8800GTX lol I wouldn't even pay 600 Dollars for such a card.

I prefer High Image Quallity and not Moderate Image Quallity, I prefer AMD-ATi ;)

I'm for Ati & AMD too ;)
I'm waiting for Raddy X1950Pro Agp :P

wrote on 30.10.06 at 21:36:47:

I'm for Ati & AMD too ;) I'm waiting for Raddy X1950Pro Agp :P

Since I changed my OS to Linux I am not as convinced that AMD+ATI combo is still the best. I would gladly change my laptop with mobility radeon 9600/9700 for a shiny new Core 2 Duo + GF GO 7800...

As for the desktop comp; I am waiting for the ATI x800XT AIW AGP, it's more in my price range and has the best TV tuner around ;)

mkay,but since Linux is your thing why buy ATi cards while they don't cope that well under linux ??? since you do say that Linux with ATi cards is a no go, you would rather go better with the GeForce 7800GS AGP right?

I suppose the Linux drivers for ATi cards aren't that bad, it's morely about configurating them properly for linux to make them work on the other hand Linux is far to complicated for the gamer and modern day user, they should make it alot easier for home useage then more people might take the go for Linux, I truely miss the game support under Linux.

I'm a happy AMD-ATi Microsoft user can't complain about the combination like many others wouldn't :)

Yes, indeed could be GF 7800 gs better choice, but it's not AIW ;) And I am using Linux only on my laptop. My desktop system is a completely different story, with games and 3dfx-friendly dual boot win98/XP :)

BTW, ATI's linux drivers do really suck. One need but to try them out and to see for himself... or ask google ;) The problem is that there is no DirectX in Linux and everything is emulated with OpenGL. And we all know that NVidia allways had better OpenGL drivers. ATI's leader in DirectX drivers, but OGL is still a problem.

Ah well, maybe this merging with AMD is going to force them to update OGL base ;) I hope.

hmm for your case they may suck but I know many people with ATi cards and Linux but they never seemed to have problems so it depends on what the situation is.

wrote on 05.11.06 at 16:41:40:

hmm for your case they may suck but I know many people with ATi cards and Linux but they never seemed to have problems so it depends on what the situation is.

Don't get me wrong; I have no problems with ATI-Linux. Everything works just fine, except for the games and programs that utilise 3D within OGL. It's allmost unimaginable to play anything in Linux with an ATI card. Here, read this quote from Cedega faq:

6) Which video card do you recommend using with Cedega?
Cedega will run with both ATI and nVidia video cards. We currently recommend the nVidia GeForce class video card due to its superior Linux driver support and the availability of Pixel Shaders on nVidia FX class cards and above. Some users may experience inconsistent performance and instability with the ATI Radeon 8500 or better cards. Please refer to the release notes for recommendations for game play.

Oh BTW, they say it will run on ATI, and it does (when u lose one week of configuring per game) - but half of the textures in the game are gone, there is no pixel shading support and if u ask me, it's crap man Better said: "it doesn't work on ATI cards", until someone @ AMD-ATI figures out that their drivers suck and that they should work on their Linux / OGL support.  :-[

okay but then again you can't compare an ATi Radeon 8500 with the latests X1900 series &  X1950 series cards, so kinda exagerated imho, and for OpenGL that's abit dead for the gamers market, it's overall Direct3D which is being used as the main API of choice for most games.

but yeah I have heard the rumors but , to believe them is something else, a friend of mine has Redhat 8 and he used an X1800XT 256MB and he has no problems what's so ever, he plays games like Quake3 and 4.

but anyways might depend on what Linux version you are working with I guess, since there are many types.

I rather stick to a microsoft OS as most gamers do lol. ::) for your side get a sweet GeForce 8800 GTX ala G80 and rock'n roll ;) I wouldn't mind hav'n one of those myself ;D :P
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=4812
http://images.dailytech.com/nimage/2871_2866_large_G80_1.jpg http://images.dailytech.com/nimage/2872_2870_large_G80_2.jpg
http://images.dailytech.com/nimage/2873_2868_large_G80_3.jpg http://images.dailytech.com/nimage/2874_2869_large_G80_4.jpg

Half Life 2: Lost Coast loves the GeForce 8800GTX. Here the GeForce 8800GTX is able to show significant performance gains over AMD’s ATI Radeon X1950 XTX—approximately 92%.

Quake 4 shows similar gains as Half Life 2: Lost Coast  too, an approximate 92% improvement.

wrote on 07.11.06 at 00:38:01:

okay but then again you can't compare an ATi Radeon 8500 with the latests X1900 series &  X1950 series cards, so kinda exagerated imho,

Of course. x1900 series still doesn't have linux support. ;D Usually, old cards funktion better in linux, because the drivers are allready made. Similarily, GF 7800 series (not to mention 8800) do not work as they should in Linux. But GF FX series... or 6800... that would be something ;)

BTW, allmost every single serious game uses D3D as well as OGL, and to say that OGL is not in games bussines? Heh; every single 3D modeling program works in OGL mode. That means that every model in a game is in OGL pre-rendered... How can u say that it's dead?

Oh, one more thing: Quake 3 and 4 are OGL ;)

heh that's kinda poor imho, the latest GFX cards are needed for the best performance for max settings that is, kinda would feel disabled that way, I mean come on unless the blokes of the linux OS can't make good support for later cards, sounds unprofessional to me.

Anyways the 6800's are okay, but a 7800.7900 shouldn't matter since they are 6800's with 20/24 pixel pipelines orsay modded 6800's technically have the same software and hardware specs to render OpenGL.

Anyways MS OS's will always have the upperhand for gaming anyways also much better support as that is a main fact that most people use it, it's basic, fast and has great driver support for both 3dfx, nVidia as ATI.AMD cards and many others.

anyways on to X1900 CrossFire Edition now :) R600 is next w00t  8)

wrote on 23.10.06 at 16:11:41:

MSI K8T Master2 FAR7 VIA K8T-800 Pro chipset :) also supports dual core Opterons http://www.komplett.nl/img/p/400/312222.jpg

what is that graphiccard slot on that motherboard, agp - pci-e hybrid??

I'would buy the agp version of x1950pro to my 775dual-vsta mobo, because the pci-e port is only 4x but I bought this mobo cuz I wanted advance smoothly to the PCI-E cards,  5months I gotta keep on with this 9800pro.

Nice move from ATI, ideal card for this computer(first at siqnature) which I'm gonna give to my bro (but CPU upgrade should be done ;D )

@ Mansfield :)

That's an AGP Pro x4 50 watt slot, it's and AGP x4 slot for 50 wat AGP Pro cards like nVidia QuadroFX and AMD.ATi FireGL cards ;)

But normal AGP x4/x8 cards work in it perfectly too :)

There are also some mainboards that have an AGP Pro 110 slot (looks the same - but supplies card with 110W of power!!!) :o

One such board is the mighty Tyan K8W - of course you'd need a 550-600W PSU to power an AGP Pro 110 GFX card! ::)

wrote on 23.11.06 at 21:30:55:

There are also some mainboards that have an AGP Pro 110 slot (looks the same - but supplies card with 110W of power!!!) :o One such board is the mighty Tyan K8W - of course you'd need a 550-600W PSU to power an AGP Pro 110 GFX card! ::)

The good old ASUS A7V 133 had also a AGP Pro slot, and it doesn't look the same. PRO version is a bit longer and a bit more powerfull. Anyway, I never did get the chance to lay my hands on one AGP Pro card...
http://www.pcstats.com/articleimages/asusa7v133_perspec.gif

it is a true AGP Pro 50 slot I had the board myself here are the specs of it ;)

http://www.msicomputer.com/product/detail_spec/product_detail.asp?model=K8T_Master2-FAR

"Support for AGP 2X/4X/8X/Pro"

"Slots
• 1 AGP Pro slot
• 4 PCI 32-bit/33MHz slots "

And the ASUS A7V133 as A7V333 boards had the same AGP Pro type of slot, only thier AGP pro slot's didn't have the AGP x8 function only AGP x2 as x4 :)

but thier wattage was 50 watts like the AGP pro on the MSI MS-9130 K8T Master2 FAR dual Opteron board.

I had it for like 2 years, extremely stable and robust and never had problems with it :)

I wonder if it has proper 3.3 volt AGP support.... has anyone tried this board with a voodoo 3?

wrote on 24.11.06 at 04:54:03:

I wonder if it has proper 3.3 volt AGP support.... has anyone tried this board with a voodoo 3?

Which exactly? I ran V5 5500 on Asus A7V133 for a year or so... MSI and Tyan, I don't know ;)

http://www.msicomputer.com/product/detail_spec/product_detail.asp?model= K8T_Master2-FAR

http://www.msicomputer.com/product/detail_spec/product_detail.asp?model=K8T_Master2-FAR

hmm AGP 3.3 Volt, I dunno Gary, a shame is I can't test it for you too :( I could try and contact a mate of mine , he has a Dual opteron DP 244 with a Tyan Thunder K8W Mainboard with AGP Pro 110Watt with AGP x2/x4/8 support, I could ask it for you, an idea? :)

If it will support a Voodoo 3 it will support a V5-6000.

hmm I'm not sure there since my ASUS A7V333-R supports a Voodoo3 AGP but I was warned not to put a Voodoo 5 6000 in that , dunno about the safety of a Dual Opteron board which never has been tested with a 6K so not planned to test my 6K in a board which it never has been tested in :-X.


But I can arrange to test a V3 AGP in it no problems there, Descember 02, will give me space to do so, don't see my mate with that dual Opteorn setup that much since he has a very buisy life too heh.

December 02 I have a Computer Club day so it's like a day we meet every month and play games all day, mostly Call of Duty2 and F.E.A.R. and mostly show off our old as new hardware in our PC's :)

3,3V AGP cards won't work in the MSI K8T Master2-FAR since the AGP Pro slot doesn't have the correct keying for the card.

ah okay thanx for the heads up then :) Like I thought it wasn't possible also because the AGP x8 Pro AGP slots require the AGP 3.0 Speciffication , and all 3dfx AGP cards lack that unless it's a Voodoo 4 4500 AGP or Ultra rare Specter 1000 AGP 32MB DDR.

Sorry, getting back to original post for a sec.  ;)  Has anyone seen this card in of the online stores (Newegg, pricewatch) at all? Just wondering if this card is actually out or if this is just speculation.

Come to think of it - NO! :o

Has ANYONE seen the AGP version of this card on sale? ???

At all? ???

@ Paul

Actually nope here in teh Netherlands, no sign of it at all, I wonder if it may be a rumor after all?

Since it has been quite a while, any idea's ?

http://www.idealo.de/suchen/3091-grafikkarten-ati-x1950-pro-agp.html

I FOUNDED ONE - hooray for me!! yey!1  ;D

a bit expensive! ATI X1950pro 256mb PCI-E in Finland costs <200€   :o

Whooo hooo!! Crikey reat find mate!!

hehe by time they started comming, some of my friends allready asked them selves if this card would come hehe

Very nice find Manfield 8)

Following on from @Mansfield's post... ;)

The cheapest offer (excluding the topmost - which leads to "item not found") ::)

...is from this shop: -

http://www.mindfactory.de/cgi-bin/MindStore.storefront/DE/Product/0023889?pid=idealo

EUR 230.75 (£160 approx) :)

Not too shabby! :D

Release date is marked at December 7th. ;D

Now I just gotta find the cash... :P

ah great! the day just before my Birthday Hah! I have an idea  ;D ;D ;D

Not say'n it's gonna work though ::) ;D hahaha

heh 160 quids is not much at all :)

Don't forget though, that's just the 'raw' price... ::)

...you still have to factor in shipping, etc... :P

wrote on 28.11.06 at 02:13:48:

Don't forget though, that's just the 'raw' price... ::) ...you still have to factor in shipping, etc... :P

Damned will be the inventer of shipping payment  >:( ;D

Another one for the books... :D

Nintendo Wii UK release - 8th December 2006 :o

...personally, I'd rather have the Radeon until the software catalog for the Wii gets bigger! ::) :P

heh 8 December is my Birthday Crikey!! Whoo Hoo they really now how to pick out the exact dates hahah so cool! Gonna turn 30 that day haha, anyways a X1950 AGP would be sweet to get also as Nintendi Wii would be :) as it has the ATi R500 VPU,  would be welcome also  ;D ::)

Anways for the X1950 Pro my favourite brand would be Sapphire, they are not that expensive and have exellent service as online as via email :)

Here's off of Gecube's website. They have it posted under products so it's out there somewhere. http://www.gecube.com/products-detail.php?prod_cat=29&prod_id=63640

Out of all the cards listed, I've only seen them in the 256 meg form. Wondering why we're not seeing any of these cards in the 512 meg form? Just not a benifit with it going over the AGP bus or is price the issue?

hmm dunno about that since there are X1650 Pro's and a Gainward GeForce 7800 GS+ BLISS Golden Sample card with 512MB GDDR3 256Bit 1.4 ns ram as well which makes usage of a GeForce 7900GT GPU not a 7800GS like most other 7800GS cards.

the X1600Pro and X1650 Pro 512Meg cards have GDDR2 memry though only 128 bit. So I think a 512MB GDDR3 256Bit X1950 Pro should be possible ofr the AGP bus, it would totally crush the Gainward 7900GT's performance hehe having 36 Pixel Shader Processors and 8 Vertex Shader Processors ;D, man the RV570 sure is a super chip for the AGP segment :)

sapphire x1950pro agp 512MB DDR3 ;)

ps47 W00000000000000t!!!!!!!


three words mate!

I WANT IT!!!!! ;D ;D ;D

GROOOOOVY! 8)

ME WANT, ME WANT! :o ;D

...now we just need somewhere that SELLS it! ::)

That's what I've been waiting for, someplace to actually buy it from.

cool card for my AthlonXP 2700+, 512MB PC2700, VIA KT-333 LoooooooooL hahah the CPU is kinda a bottlenech hahaha oh well I'm quite sure it will feel some kinds of turbo charge in it's self then hehe :)

I wonder how it will perform is such a slow system, then in AGP x4 as well LoL
:D ;D ;D

Man it's Blue PCB really reminds me of good ole Hercules remember them? Oei!

I'm quite sure it will make cake of the Gainward GeForce 7800+ Bliss Golden Sample :) aka the GeForce 7800 GS AGP card with the full 24 piped GeForce 7900 GT GPU from Gainward with 512MB GDDR3 1.4 ns. that card is gonna feel some serious feedback  ;D ;D

wrote on 01.12.06 at 17:54:30:

sapphire x1950pro agp 512MB DDR3 ;)

did you noticed that there is Crossfire logo on the box!! Isn't crossfire/SLI impossible to agp

I dont think that crossfire will actually work (you dont have a second agp slot for the slave card in the first place,there are some mobos that have both agp and pci-e slots,but pci-e+agp crossfire simply sounds too nutz).it is possible that they simply havent removed the connectors..

as for the (bleached) blue color,I cant say I really like it-I want my goodies in RED coating ;D

yeah true there, I wonder what the R600's PCB colour is gonna be like, I mean since that AMD took over heh I still hope for the cool Red PCB's.

Hmm...but what if AGP+PCIX crossfire really IS possible... :o

...only problem is finding a board that would support such a setup! :P

well the boards with AGP and PCI-E x16 do exsist so why not go for software CrossFire ;) no need for hardware extensions or internal connectors, just install 2 X1950 Pro's an AGP and PCI-E card and install the with ATi Catalyst 6.11 WHQL and then you can make usage of Software CrossFire! and with FSAA and AF you get performance hit's around the 55 a 60% :)

So about the question is it possible? I'd say surey no probs 8)

I would think that the AGP port does not support the required IO bandwidth (bidirectional) for that.

Performance hit would be very bad in such a setup, considering the 8x AGP is already in heavy use by Geometry, Shader and Instruction transfers.

yeah true there, the CrossFire card does most of the work, like I found out with my X1950XTX CF/X1900XTX setup :)

Motherboards with AGP and PCIe slots do not support the use of both slots at the same time.

Suprisingly to say, the AGP3.0 standard (AGP8x) does support multiple AGP ports.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accelerated_Graphics_Port

Quote:

This cannot be done with AGP 1.0 (early AGP 1x and 2x) and AGP 2.0 (AGP 4x) cards, because they do not support more than one AGP Master (videocard piece) per AGP Target (chipset piece). However, AGP 3.0 (AGP 8x) does support more than one AGP Master per AGP Target; but very few PC (if any) motherboards are equipped with more than one AGP slot, but RISC computers, like HP AlphaServer GS1280 can have up to 16 AGP slots, AlphaServer ES80 up to 4 AGP slots and AlphaServer ES47 up to 2 AGP slots in a single system.

wrote on 04.12.06 at 15:34:33:

Motherboards with AGP and PCIe slots do not support the use of both slots at the same time. Suprisingly to say, the AGP3.0 standard (AGP8x) does support multiple AGP ports. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accelerated_Graphics_Port

uhm AGP 3.0 does support multi targets :)

Quote:

However, AGP 3.0 (AGP 8x) does support more than one AGP Master per AGP Target

it's AGP 1.0 and 2.0 that don't hehe :) so then again Software CF might work, with some tweaking then :)

That's what I said Obi.

Sorry Nitrox I read it different, silly dislectics I have damn  :-[

hmm. my AsRock 775Dual-VSTA can use agp and pci-e graphicscard at the same time to gain multiscreen(4xscreens) 8)

wrote on 04.12.06 at 16:28:37:

hmm. my AsRock 775Dual-VSTA can use agp and pci-e graphicscard at the same time to gain multiscreen(4xscreens) 8)

You know this for a fact? If so, my bad. Thought I read somewhere that that was impossible. :P

wrote on 04.12.06 at 16:41:46:

You know this for a fact? If so, my bad. Thought I read somewhere that that was impossible. :P

Correct, the ASRock 775Dual-880Pro is able to work with AGP and PCIe cards at the same time. I tested it myself, besides that I thought I read it somewhere. (Either a review or a manual, don't know anymore)

yeah.and 939dual can do the same little trick as well:

http://img438.imageshack.us/img438/838/sysasrock7nt.th.jpg

that motherboard rocks if you dont need overclocking,very nice performance,good layout,no hw bugs (think nforce4),support for both pci-e 16x and agp8x,SATA2..and win98 drivers :).a nice home for an x1950xtx and voodoo4 4500agp ;D

I have one of those myself ;)

or a X1950 XTX and a Rampage 8) that would be very UBER  8)

Two posting on E-Bay for the agp card.
http://cgi.ebay.com/GeCube-ATI-X1950-Pro-256MB-AGP-Graphics-Card_W0QQitemZ190063479590QQihZ009QQcategoryZ67864QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

and

http://cgi.ebay.com/GeCube-ATI-Radeon-X1950-PRO-AGP-Video-Card-FEAR-PC_W0QQitemZ220063068904QQihZ012QQcategoryZ80184QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Second one comes with F.E.A.R and a buy now option. Both cards are way to expensive at the moment, at a 350$ US price tag, there's the price of new AMD X2 4200+ and mobo with a PCI-E slot so it's kind of pointless.

Don't know why there's not more of them out there, though. There's a market for them, that's for sure.... (look how fast ATI sold the X850 Pro's), as long as the price is right. They could lower price, take a hit on a profit margin but because of the number sold, will stay make a decent profit. A little profit over time is better then no profit at all because it's over priced for a dieing breed and upgrade options are cheaper. Nothing sold= 0 profit where as 5$ a card with 45,000 sold = ALOT (ok, maybe not that many but who knows.)

I'm wait'n for the Sapphire X1950 Pro AGP 512MB GDDR3 card instead ;) Since I have Fear & Fear Extraction point, man that expansion Pack is very scary haha it's the best game since System Shock 2 ;)

ah here it is available and on stock here in The Netherlands :)
http://www.hi-tune.com/product_info.php?products_id=1161&osCsid=a64355e4943feb249cd424b68dbee009
http://www.hi-tune.com/images/Sapphire_X1950PRO_AGP.jpg

207 euro's each ;) better than those from ebay  8)

What is the price conversion from euro to us$ generally double or am I wrong on that? Just wondering cuz I really don't know.

http://www.xe.com

...has the following conversion rates...

215.00 EUR
= 144.154 GBP
= 283.238 USD

Where...

1 GBP = 1.49146 EUR
1 USD = 0.759079 EUR

Nuff said!

Thanks man, very handy to do know.

wrote on 20.12.06 at 19:06:42:

I'm wait'n for the Sapphire X1950 Pro AGP 512MB GDDR3 card instead ;) Since I have Fear & Fear Extraction point, man that expansion Pack is very scary haha it's the best game since System Shock 2 ;) ah here it is available and on stock here in The Netherlands :) http://www.hi-tune.com/product_info.php?products_id=1161&osCsid=a64355e4943feb249cd424b68dbee009 http://www.hi-tune.com/images/Sapphire_X1950PRO_AGP.jpg 207 euro's each ;) better than those from ebay  8)

see there is no Crossfire connector so it isn't possible :'( >:(

Oh well, that's that theory out the window! ::)

Still, we all knew it wouldn't happen with an AGP card... :P

...but the card is still KICK@$$! 8)

hmm...
A system like this would be really awesome:
Intel Core 2 Duo E6300-X6800/Core 2 Quad QE6? ??
ASrock 775dual-vsta
2GB DDR2-667 memory
R600 based graphic card as main graphic card
X1950pro as secondary graphic card
With four 20" LCD monitors :P
8) 8)
Do you know which games supports surround screen modes?  In simulation games it will be awesome to have surround screen which can be enable with MoBo abowe :P

I wanna be rich

Why the ASRock 775Dual-VSTA? You'd better choose for a modern board with 3 or 4 PCIe 16x slots and pop in four ATi Radeon X1950 Pro cards :).
AGP is quite old so investing in new hardware would be more logical.

wrote on 27.12.06 at 14:53:23:

Why the ASRock 775Dual-VSTA? You'd better choose for a modern board with 3 or 4 PCIe 16x slots and pop in four ATi Radeon X1950 Pro cards :). AGP is quite old so investing in new hardware would be more logical.

because it have multi screen function and it got both PCI-E and agp slot for X1950pro. Well maybe some ati CF MoBo would be ither option

heh sorry I rather wait for AMD's True Quad Core Opterons ;)
http://www.realworldtech.com/page.cfm?ArticleID=RWT060206035626
http://www.realworldtech.com/includes/images/articles/K8L-preview-1.png
Anyways Intel may the fastest now , but that will change soon ;)

but those Dual X1950 Pro's are cool too, get 2 of those put the in CF and you have a Quad RV570 setup ;D

@ Mansfield

X1950pro as secondary graphic card

why not a third R600 for the Physics ::) if you were rich that wouldn't matter righty?

wrote on 27.12.06 at 15:38:52:

because it have multi screen function and it got both PCI-E and agp slot for X1950pro. Well maybe some ati CF MoBo would be ither option

The motherboard supports multi-screen function. ASRock mentions this specifically. Otherwise people would think that the AGP and PCIe connector couldn't be used at the same time.

As far as I know normal PCIe boards are able to function with multiple graphics cards as well. For example: No special motherboard is required to run 2 Quadro NVS 440 cards at the same time. This will be the same for practically any other board on the market :). So a newer board with two PCIe slots would be a better idea for multiscreen setup.

yep, I was thinking first about the system for my budget, but why not system like:
über Quad-system ;D

Quad core cpu
2x 2channel memory=8GB DDR2-800
Quad CF with 2 dual X1950pro

wow that would be the killa machine #1 ;D

Is these new AMDs going fo AM2 socket? I've heard that there will be soon first AM2+ and after it AM3 socket?? I'll bet for Intel , put you can't say nothing yet! C2Ds crushed Amd X2s because of it has 65nm achitecture. let see what happens when Core 2 Quad QX6700 and AMD Athlon64 X4 6000+(just speculation :) ) are in testbench at the same time

nope Socket 1207 aka Socket F, remember it's Opteron not Athlon64 X2 based AM2 hehe ;)

Mmm...quad core...quad CF... :P

Homer drool... :o

ROFL! ;D

Yeps, I'll keep it to AMD * ATi all the way for my main rigs :)

since they always had the finest setups for my cash.

I would love to get this card but I still think they need to becarefull on pricing this thing. I 300$ card isn't a new upgrade for me, at least not for a vid card, to me that's a new AM2 board and chip. Now a 150/175 maybe even 200, then yeah it's an upgrade option. Anything more then that though, why? I just bought a X850 Pro and that's working wonders over my 9600 Pro card already.

Hey Jandarsun8 why not sell the old cards you have now and combine the money you saved up with that and then you could buy something bigger right ;)

Anywyas I'll be keeping the S939 setup for a few years it has dual PXI-E x16 so for VGA upgrades it's a safe system to move on :)

..seems like the good old agp is not slowing the x1950p down ;D: http://www.driverheaven.net/reviews/Sapphire%20X1950Pro%20AGP/index.php

wrote on 29.12.06 at 21:43:39:

..seems like the good old agp is not slowing the x1950p down

No surprise to me- 3dfx proved years ago that local video memory was more important then the interface.

While most benchmarks indicated that the VGA card decides 80% of the system's overall speed & overall performance ;)

The Review say's it clearly :)

"It has been a while since a high performance AGP card hit the market. As such the X1950Pro really doesn't have any decent competition.

In all our testing the performance of the Sapphire X1950 Pro AGP was above expectations and it wasn't until we did our video playback test that we saw anything to differentiate the card from its PCI-E counterpart."

AGP isn't long before dead, it still shows that in the most cases it's better in 3D gaming than PCI- Express x16 for cards in this class.

imho AGP should of lived on this test simply did show that AGP x8 is still fast enought for the upcomming applications.

Well, Newegg.com finally has them listed for sale starting at 234.99$ all the way up to 333.99$  for the OC'd version. Just thought I'd let you guys know. Selling my X800 GTO and my extra X850 Pro is probably what i'm going to do, since it's pretty much useless to me right now anyway. The machine that the GTO was in died, and with one of my friends moving to another state, it's not really worth replacing the motherboard (had three upto date gaming boxes so that my two friends could come over and not bring all of there equipment over). The 234.99 looks to be an option. The 50 mhz core clock speed would be nice but can't justify spending the extra money on something that I should be able to get close to by OC'ing the thing myself anyway.  

yeaps very well thought of and I'm sure that the X1950 Pro 256MB will bring your AGP x8 gaming experience to a new level :)

When you get the X1950 Pro AGP, could you test it in AGP x4 as well? I know that my X800XT PE AGP will do fine for now, always has been a big favour :)

But I wonder if it can do AGP x4 since the XFX GeForce 7600GT 580M AGP could not, because of the NV PCI-E to AGP bridge chip.

Somehow I think that ATi cards are 100% correct to the AGP Architechture.

I will let you know man. Going to be a little bit, kind of strapped for cash. Had to get a lawyer but that's a different post completely. Once I get it in my hands though, I'll let you know.

thanx that would be great :) Hope you get things cleared mate .

..seems like powercolor is going to make x1950xt agp as well ;D

@ ps47

do have a source of that?

Man that's gonna be fun ;D Crikey! Rads Rule! whooo hooo

Edit:

Found something about it :)
http://xtreview.com/addcomment-id-1198-view-agp-version-Radeon-X1950-XT.html

MMMM...FUNKEH! 8)

x1950gt agp:

http://img.clubic.com/photo/00447230.jpg


I think it cant get any more RED than this,can it?  ;D

hmm yeah I saw that one on the dutch forums yesterday, don't like the cooler design though, anywyas I would @ least replace it with a Zalman VF700Cu or VF900Cu ;D but yeah it's a freaky AGP card, It's good to see ATi think of AGP people even nowadays Crikey! that's good to see  8)

Let's hope to see AGP versions of the X2600 Pro as XT as well.

LOL - this is kind of like "ATI PR0N"... ::)

LMAO! LOL! ROFL! ;D ;D

Quote:

LOL - this is kind of like "ATI PR0N"...   LMAO! LOL! ROFL!

ROFL, this is funny.  ;D

Anyway, figures they'd come out with the XT version right after I just bought the Pro version. Wonder how much of core and memory boost the XT is over the Pro? Better cooler on it and I might just be able to push it to the XT speed.

well the XT model has 12 extra Pixelshader processors it has 48 instead of 36 ;)

and the amount of Vertexshader processors is the same, the GT, the Pro as the XT have 8 of them.

the 256Bit GDDR3 of the XT runs at a nice 1.8Ghz :) it's core is rated at 575 mhz so it's a very speedy card compared to the GT and Pro models of the 1950 familly and it features the R580+ core, hereby the X1950XT AGP 256MB/512MB GDDR3 will be the most powerfull AGP card ever invented by man & machine! ;D So typically it's the same ashte PCI-Express model of the X1950 XT but then with an AGP x8 connector, man I hope that this one will do AGP x4 as well LoooooooooooL ;D

I spotted X1950GTagp at stores about 30€ less than pro, only lower GPU/mem clock

it seems to be that agp lives in directX10 generation too
http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=41
X2300 -series goes AGP

yeah pretty Cool Mansfield the X2600 XT might appear in AGP format as well since it's even possible to make an ATi X2900XT with an AGP bus the Ralito is so powerfull it can handle that power as well, personally AGP isn't dead yet, if AGP would be dead there would be no more new AGP card being made by Graphics card designers as builders 8)