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BUT! Not only cooling is minimal, but heat dissipation and voltage too. That means that there ARE still overclocking possibilities. I overclocked my mobility Radeon 9600 PRO from 350/200 to 380/235 stable. Not much, but enough for almost 10 000 marks in 3Dmark 01 (with a 1.4Ghz CPU)

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Ask yourself - why would Nvidia do that in the first place? The lauch of next-gen 8600GT/GS would jeopardise the sales of the old 7600/7900, that is going quite well, if I may add. It would only be making yourself (your own products) a competition, and it would give a basic idea to ATI how exactly must the mid-range cards be, to beat it.

In short, they are waiting for R600 to launch - then they will strike. GF8600 is no secret, it's already there - built. There were many such cards on Cebit. The press said, that the manufacturers are stock-piling that cards and waiting for a green light wrom Nvidia to start selling.

So, early in may is the answer

Edit: oh, expect 8900 Ultra to  show up also and re-take the performance crown, end may or early in Jun (Computex)

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Well we can hope that they got it, but as far as I've heard - the R600 beats 8800GTX very, very marginaly. It just doesn't pay of waiting half a year for such a lousy win.

The problem is that R650 as you call it is nothing else but a 65nm R600; and that also is no problem - the real problem are the GPU yields @ 65nm process -they are really, really low. So if there are going to be ANY 65nm R600 cards at all, they are going to be only paper-launched (or press-launched) for the time beign.

Btw, Fuad tells that ATI has given up on 65nm GPU as for now. The next launch may come much, much later (Q3 or Q4) and by then 8900 (Ultra) is going to be, well, again half a year on top.

ATI is still galloping behind. Unfortunatelly

Ok, I stopped ready this thread when it when into ATI stuff. Granted I'm an ATI user but think we should really stay on topic with the thread and keep it Nvidia. This boards mature enough to not get into the whole Nvidiot/ATIbrat syndrome thing. Keep the Nvidia over on this board and the ATI stuff on the board that's already into many pages long. Lets make these post informational for the people that would like the info on there given card company.

Thanks.    

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If you're going to claim something, please back it up - if not, stop poluting ok? According to you, there are 99% pro NV sites on the net 

BTW, Fudo (Inq) is really, really pro 3Dfx site AND pro - ATI site; Fudo himself uses ATI, so I really don't understand your LoLs, but the bird is nice.

Well volks, we have a new world record in 3Dmark 03 by Kingpin - allmost 100 000!!! Test rig - GeForce 8800 Ultra SLI on Intel Core 2 Extreme x6800.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=143117&page=5
That's it... Intel+Nvidia= best performance today.

Hopefully the new CPU from AMD, Barcelona, is going to add some juice to the already dried up line of CPUs.

Guys, I am sure that many of you are ATI fans (I count myself in, too), but I got a GF 8800gts 320MB recently and changed my opinion.

I would say, that this GF reminds me of old 3dfx - there are LOD BIAS quality settings! Finaly, it allows us to use LOD @ -3, which delivers exactly the same 3D quality as V5 5500! The difference between this card (8800 series) and any other GF series is unbelivable. Also, there is no ATI card (excluding x2900 - didn't try that one) that has THIS good 3D quality!

Also, Linux has a really great nvidia support! I got the driver working after only a few minutes and it works much, much better then the ATI driver (and R9600/x800) - especially in Video reproduction under 3D Destkop (Beryl/Compiz).

Anyway, I am going to upload some pic's with LOD -3 for you, to see for yourself  8)