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Reply #240 - 28.04.07 at 13:28:44
 
He he he,
I have a Corsair HS620 psu in my pc and someone in Sapphire forum have had the courage to say that the problem is caused by the psu...
http://www.sapphiretech.com/en/forums/showthread.php?t=12847
See the other threads too Roll Eyes
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Reply #241 - 28.04.07 at 15:07:38
 
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Seems also the Bridge Chip on the X1950 AGP series gets extremely hot.

Some people had to glue old Coolers onto it to get the Card run stable.

How hot is 'extremely' hot? The bridge on X800-based cards can get hot too. In my opinion it's just "a bit" hot while other people would say "extremely hot" (as since they can't put their finger on it for a few secs. without burning Tongue)

Those who say 'extremely hot' will probably install cooling but maybe it won't be the solution for the problem. After all those things can handle such heat pretty well. Smiley
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Reply #242 - 28.04.07 at 15:29:47
 
As it solved the instability for many (not all), it is a comfirmed part of the Problem (and therefor simply too hot, regardless of actual temperature)

Anything on a modern retail Hardware becoming too hot to touch is wrong and indicating a significantly reduced lifetime.

The more modern the architecture gets, the less heat it generally can stand over prolonged times - unless it is hardened by modern materials, which however is something completely uncommon in price-driven mass markets.
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Reply #243 - 28.04.07 at 18:13:06
 
I'll try too provide a better cooling for incriminate elements Wink
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Reply #244 - 29.04.07 at 14:27:00
 
Got more leaked pics which I got from the Dutch GoT ATi news discussion topic part 55 Smiley

3DM 05 @ 1024 x 768
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3DM 05 @ 1280 x 1024
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3DM 05 @ 1280 x 1024 & FSAA x4 AF x8
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here some pics of the AMD Ati Radeon HD 2900XT in live action Smiley
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Here the ATi Catalyst Overclock panel Smiley
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Here some layout scemes of the HD2400 aka RV610, HD2600 aka RV630 and the HD2900 aka R600 series:

HD 2400:
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HD 2600:
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HD 2900:
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Okay got some far better pics!! damn this card is sweet too!

here's the HD 2900XT compared between a GeForce 8800GTS 640 as a 8800GTX 768 qua lengths Smiley
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The card it's self in it's full size glory!
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and the Launch partners har har har!
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and here tons of official info of this beauty!
http://www.hisdigital.com/html/product_ov.php?id=304&view=yes
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Reply #245 - 03.05.07 at 21:55:59
 
Any news about X2600 ??
I heard that best RV630 is named Radeon HD X2600XT just like Radeon HD X2900XT
so does that means that card with this special HD chip get named HD?
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Reply #246 - 03.05.07 at 23:17:38
 
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Any news about X2600 ??
I heard that best RV630 is named Radeon HD X2600XT just like Radeon HD X2900XT
so does that means that card with this special HD chip get named HD?


well the HD 2600XT will also be made in an AGP x8 model and it's about 15% overall faster than the X1950 XTX isn't this cool! thereby crushing the nVidia GeForce 8600GTS with ease Smiley
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Reply #247 - 04.05.07 at 06:24:43
 
The only bad spot of it all :

This Thread started 25 Nov, is now 17 (!) Pages long [ biggest sustained Spam Thread record in this Forum history ], and still no single Card to buy anywhere...

If the new hardware runs at the insane Power levels indicated so far and doesn't give absolutely stomping performance for it, AMD is in serious Problems. There are already comparisons ATI > 3dfx being feared (although I hope that's a tad too early)
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Reply #248 - 04.05.07 at 08:11:39
 
I think that ATI/AMD just needed to release this card so they would have something to stand up to the power of the Geforce. Smiley

They did succeed in that so it seems, now they have some more time to perfect the architecture.

They did that before, release a card that actually needed a 2nd go at the core and still outperform nVidia.

Look at the 9700pro/9800pro same idea, only they weren't getting as hot ofcourse.

I think that the R600+ or whatever it will be called, will be a good makeover of the R600, with lesser heat and more power.

And truth be said, people that shell out 500+ euros for a videocard are generally not the kind of people that worry about the electrical bill. Smiley

And case cooling has become more and more efficient, so the heat the card generates can be dealt with accordingly as well.

And ATI going the way of the emperor?? No, I don't see that happening. ATI may have lost market share, but loads of people know the R600 is coming and are waiting for it so they can buy one, so ATI will get marketshare back, I have no doubt about that.

I seem to recall that the R600 will be produced on 65nm, and will produce less heat and use less power then was 1st thought, cause the original design was based on 80nm core I think.
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Reply #249 - 04.05.07 at 09:47:11
 
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well the HD 2600XT will also be made in an AGP x8 model and it's about 15% overall faster than the X1950 XTX isn't this cool! thereby crushing the nVidia GeForce 8600GTS with ease Smiley


Crikey Grin thats wonderful!
In one of the finnish HW forums they said that gf8600 is completely flop!, maybe HD X2600XT competes with GF8800gts 320Mb Cheesy, but over 50% cheaper. I've heard that x2600 will be launch @ june. so is this the strategy from ATI-AMD to make as many card as they can before launch? last year at august AMD couldn't produce enough X2 processor to every one because AMD didn't expect that huge popularity. so ATI-AMD want to avoid that. I think
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Reply #250 - 05.05.07 at 11:10:40
 
Well, it is "a bit" different.

AMD simply could not produce sufficient Processors for the channel market after fullfilling contracts with Dell.

They simply did not have the capacity.

After intel released the Core 2 Duo, AMD had to slash prices in order to stay competitive - again, they could not deliver sufficient CPUs.

What we currently see is not a "strategy", it is a survival fight. Every single day the company is driving Millions in operative losses. So much, that they recently had to start looking into crisis financing.

The ATI section right now cant even deliver. If they had the chance, they would have immediately filled the channels with the released R600 in order to get profitable again - they could not do it.

Talking from the heads of shareholders or businessmen, the last 12 month belong to the worst AMD has ever seen in its company history - and thats certainly not strategy...

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In the CPU world, AMD is looking at even worse numbers now... Even if the K10 was to be released tomorrow, if would be an expensive Server CPU, with a very limited Server market. What they need .today. is the Desktop Version to compete against the Core 2 Duo. According to their own Roadmap, this will not happen until early 2008 - which is nothing but a full-blown desaster, unless they can tweak even more performance out of the existing design in a hurry.... and actually deliver it in numbers.
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Reply #251 - 05.05.07 at 14:28:17
 
HD 2400 is weird  Cheesy
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this reminds me from L-shaped V4
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Reply #252 - 05.05.07 at 15:41:34
 
yeah but the "L' sahpe has been turned 180 degrees heh!

Well the reason why it looks like this is for the Internal CrossFire connectors so that AMD/ATi didn't have to change that feature's design Wink
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Reply #253 - 05.05.07 at 18:39:27
 
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yeah but the "L' sahpe has been turned 180 degrees heh!

Well the reason why it looks like this is for the Internal CrossFire connectors so that AMD/ATi didn't have to change that feature's design Wink

And an empty space for a chip. Probably usable for extended TV functions Smiley.
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Reply #254 - 08.05.07 at 12:06:21
 
@ MrFrossy

Yeah probably Smiley

@ Everyone

Here a nice pic of the MSI GeForce 8800 Ultra and the MSI Radeon HD2900XT and a nice comparrison also heh!
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The HS2900XT without the cooler Smiley
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And some nice pics of Ruby man she's hot !
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Here a new slide of the layout structure of the R600 VPU Smiley
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