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28.08.04 at 11:41:34

Since FarCry V1.1 is about the worst-case scenario, I'm absolutely sure the performance will still increase, and more resource-hungry DirectX9 rendering features will become usable.
(FarCry's enhanced DX9 modes, including HDR Lighting and alike, were as of now not selectable within the Game on the DeltraChrome).

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fish Full Member Offline Posts: 183 Germany Gender:	Re: FarCry on S3 DeltraChromeS8 256MB Reply #1 - 28.08.04 at 13:37:47 Thanks for the Information. I'm really interested in the DeltaChrome S8. Do you think it's a good choice?
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Reply #2 - 28.08.04 at 14:19:38

Yes, Doom3 is a "special" case, but it is so for ATI (poor performance) and XGI (display errors) as well.
So it is no surprise to see Problems on non-NVidia Cards.

I'll have to do more testing with other current Games to make a final verdict.

Of course, if you're just looking for the most troublefree Gaming, you'll (as of now) always be best settled with an ATI or NVidia product.

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DenisF Senior Member Offline So fluffy it hurts Posts: 409 Israel Gender:	Re: FarCry on S3 DeltraChromeS8 256MB Reply #3 - 28.08.04 at 16:51:20 30fps at medium details? bleh an old radeon8500 64meg beats that at stock speeds getting a 9500pro off ebay is a much wiser choice to be honest, for anyone who's looking into a dx9 budget card.
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FalconFly YaBB Administrator Offline 3dfx Archivist Posts: 2445 5335N 00745E Gender:	Re: FarCry on S3 DeltraChromeS8 256MB Reply #4 - 28.08.04 at 17:01:52 A Radeon 64MB certainly won't, at maximum Texture and Particle Details running Beta Drivers, please read my postings correctly. But I agree, for a safe bet, you couldn't go wrong with an ATI Card like you said
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DenisF Senior Member Offline So fluffy it hurts Posts: 409 Israel Gender:	Re: FarCry on S3 DeltraChromeS8 256MB Reply #5 - 28.08.04 at 18:49:34 Quote: A Radeon 64MB certainly won't, at maximum Texture and Particle Details running Beta Drivers, please read my postings correctly. i beg to differ FarCry 2004-08-28 19-42-04-89.jpg All settings set to medium, except particle count and texture detail which are set to very high. and i even kept aniso 8x on
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Re: FarCry on S3 DeltraChromeS8 256MB
Reply #6 - 28.08.04 at 20:27:34

Well, I stand corrected then Grin

Before I get called an S3 Fanboy *g* :

I even encountered the first Bug...
UT2004 is unstable for me (machine resets) with both the latest WHQL, and the Beta Driver.
(an oddball, since Performance and Image Quality is very good while it runs)

Reading up on it, seems to affect 50% of people, for some it works, for some it just doesn't.

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Re: FarCry on S3 DeltraChromeS8 256MB
Reply #7 - 29.08.04 at 22:28:37

Odd.

I've put in a Radeon 8500 myself, left all Settings as they were, and the performance dropped somewhat (not matching DenisF's numbers)

Settings :
- Overall System performance : Very high
- Quality Settings : Medium, except Texture and Particles (Very High)

4x Aniso Filtering was selected for the 2nd Screenshot inside the Game engine, first one is without.

http://www.planetfalconfly.de/img/FarCry0096.jpg
http://www.planetfalconfly.de/img/FarCry0095.jpg

I also noted quite some Display/Texture errors when zooming on the Ground ???

http://www.planetfalconfly.de/img/FarCry0085.jpg
http://www.planetfalconfly.de/img/FarCry0086.jpg

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DenisF Senior Member Offline So fluffy it hurts Posts: 409 Israel Gender:	Re: FarCry on S3 DeltraChromeS8 256MB Reply #8 - 29.08.04 at 23:43:24 What drivers were you using falcon? also i took mine from the research demo, i don't have the full game.. [maybe that makes a difference ???]
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Re: FarCry on S3 DeltraChromeS8 256MB
Reply #9 - 29.08.04 at 23:54:09

Hm, I used Catalyst 4.8, and the full Retail Game.

Might actually be, since Demos usually don't ship with the full Quality Textures (to keep the Demo reasonable small, same happened with UT2004 for example)

Found the Demo, downloading it now

(> 500MB, not quite small Shocked

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Re: FarCry on S3 DeltraChromeS8 256MB
Reply #10 - 30.08.04 at 21:05:28

Just took another comparison (Re-installed the Catalyst 4.8 to make sure).

This is what I persistently got with the Radeon 8500 64MB AGP (Very High Detail, same scene as the first Test Shots with the Deltachrome) :

http://www.planetfalconfly.de/img/FarCry0099.jpg
http://www.planetfalconfly.de/img/FarCry0100.jpg

Generally approx. 30% lower performance than the Deltachrome across different Levels/Scenes (tested multiple Saved Games), and rendering issues (Textures, Pixel Shaders) at anything beyond Low Detail...

( ??? )

@DenisF :
What Drivers and what OS did you use ?
Maybe the Radeon 8500 & FarCry doesn't like Cat4.8 on Win2000 I use...

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Re: FarCry on S3 DeltraChromeS8 256MB
Reply #11 - 30.08.04 at 21:50:53

Very odd, your one looses while mine one surpasses :s

my system;
Windows XP SP2 [DX9.0c]
ATi Catalyst 4.8
ATi Radeon 8500 275/275 64mb [fastwrites on, sidebands on, agp4x, 128mb agp aperture]
Abit NF7-S rev2.0, 3D-FIRE D23 bios [by tictac]
AMD Athlon XP-M 2600+@3200+ [400fsb]
GeIL Golden Dragon DDR400 PC3200 Dual Channel kit [2x256mb] cl 2-2-2

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Reply #12 - 30.08.04 at 21:59:59

Hm, except for the different Motherboard and your WinXP, we're using the same setup.

I'm gathering some infos as to why it happens on me, seems not normal.

It's just 3D Quark, but its typical Benchmark performance seems nominal, I get 11299 Quarks in 3D Quark 2001SE b330 out of it (which seems reasonable).

If you can please look for something out of the order in the Detailled results here :
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8084303

Maybe you notice something unusual, that would indicate something's wrong. Otherwise, I'll just roll-back to my 100% clean HardDrive Image, and re-test everything

(a quick re-test with Aquamark3 is also within ~2% of my known figures for that Card, so that looks okay)

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Reply #13 - 30.08.04 at 22:38:35

And now another mystery, my most recent benchmark [when i used old single-channel memory, before i got my dragon sticks] does 343 points less than your setup, BUT look at the differences, in some test my board scores much higher than yours..

[ex; fillrate, nature, bump mapping, and all of the shaders]

url; http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8037523

EDIT
just noticed, your setup is 64bit, mine's 32bit..

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Reply #14 - 30.08.04 at 22:52:16

Hm, your System is FSB Overclocked from 2500+ to 3200+ ?

Since 3D Mark 2001 reacts very sensitively towards FSB, that could explain your Scores in CPU bound situations.

(my system is 32bit as well of course, no 64bit extensions are used)

But in general, our Cards seem to perform roughly the same.

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Once we're at it, some Aquamark3 comparisons (which seems more GPU bound than 2001SE) :

[ all Benches were done on the same System ]

S3 Deltachrome 256MB :
http://arc.aquamark3.com/arc/arc_view.php?run=1824985852

Radeon 9600 128MB :
http://arc.aquamark3.com/arc/arc_view.php?run=1757211302

Radeon 8500 64MB :
http://arc.aquamark3.com/arc/arc_view.php?run=2024645638

SiS Xabre 400 128MB :
http://arc.aquamark3.com/arc/arc_view.php?run=1621991736

ATI Radeon 9000 128MB :
http://arc.aquamark3.com/arc/arc_view.php?run=1286391988

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