Hello all

I have heard alot of stories that people can see more than 24.5 fps, and if a game has a avr of 50 fps ,they say it ain't fluid because some frame drops are like 27 fps.

what I have been told from pro's that a human eye can't see more than a max of 30 fps.

where is the truth and proof about this ongo'n thing?

If there are people that have the real truth on what the human eye can see, I would like to know, because I have heard many wierd things , but never could see the truth in those so called stories.

Cheers,

Obi-Wan Kenobi.

hmm this was interesting :
The Human Eye and it's real capabilities - tahDA!
  This is where this article gets even longer, but read on, please. I will explain to you how the Human Eye can perceive much past the mis conception of 30 FPS and well past 60 FPS, even surpassing 200 FPS.

it is strange that my eyes can't see faster than 31 fps in a game, is this so odd?

I played StarWars RAcer @ 47 fps on a Voodoo5 5500 AGP 64MB on an AthlonXP 2700+ @ 1024 x 768 x16 in Glide + FSAA x4.

The game motion was very fluid, my eyes couldn't detect any stutter, so is it odd that my eyes can't see the difference between 47 fps avr or 74 fps avr that was with FSAA x2 setting?

ahh perfect

This nerve is just a pathway, and does no processing on its own. Its bandwidth is actually really huge, so a lot of information can be passed on. Nerve impulses also travel at over 200 mph to the brain, so it is nearly instantaneous for information to be received from the eye (since the optic nerve is only about 2 cm to 3 cm long).
The visual cortex is where all the information is put together. Humans only have so much room in the brain, so there are some tricks it uses to give us the most information possible in the smallest, most efficient structure.

T-Buffer's comes from the human eye heh then it went to 3dfx.
One of these tricks is the property of motion blur. We cannot get away from the phenomena because it is so important to the way we perceive the world. In the visual cortex we can theorize the existence of what I call the motion blur filter. Because the eye can only receive so much information, and the visual cortex can only process so much of that, there needs to be a way to properly visualize the world.


This what 3dfx tried to show with thier Napalm products I was thinking, simply brilliant actually.
Take for example a fast moving object. The faster it goes, the more it blurs (be it a snowflake or a train). Why does this happen? Let's take the example of a snowflake. At any time it has a fixed position in the universe, no matter what speed it goes at (unless it starts to get relativistic, then we go into some strange physics, but something that is not applicable to what we are talking about). Lets say at 5 mph, we see the snowflake in perfect detail as it falls to the ground. Now we hop into a car and go 55 mph. Can we see the detail of the snowflake? No, it is just a streak to us.

The Conclusion in short, so 30 fps isn't bad at all though the lowest fps can make it look worse than it really is.
So what is the answer to how many frames per second should we be looking for? Anything over 60 fps is adequate, 72 fps is maximal (anything over that would be overkill). Framerates cannot drop though from that 72 fps, or we will start to see a degradation in the smoothness of the game. Don't get me wrong, it is not bad to play a game at 30 fps, it is fine, but to get the illusion of reality, you really need a frame rate of 72 fps.

thanx for your help, if there are others with thier theories go ahead

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I call bullsh*t.

Depends on the human, I can tell the difference between 30 FPS vs 60 FPS.

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Short answer, but true. It depends from a game.

okay why are movies in theatures and on the telly 30 fps?

is there an explanation too that, , if 60fps is vissible, why aren't movies , TV-Show's shown in 29.89 fps instead of 40 or 60 fps, are they blured?

if I have a Monitor @ 100 Herz and my game gets 47 fps AVR I see no jitter, I find it rather odd that some people do see the difference between 47 fps and 60.

I suppose humans are different on this perspective, some may have trained eyes to see the frames per sec faster, but still 72 fps is the limit  like the article pronounced:

So what is the answer to how many frames per second should we be looking for? Anything over 60 fps is adequate, 72 fps is maximal (anything over that would be overkill).

Above that on a 85 or 100 herz screen it isn't visible anymore., what I think it's alot in the peoples minds they think they see more but to be relistic they don't it's more like an illusion.

But if there are frame drops liek from 47 to 21 then it is noticeable, because 21fps is under the fluid framerate of 29.89 fps.

but to forget the logicness, not every human can see this difference otherwise there wouldn't be so much discussions about this case I truely do believe the people that can see more than 30fps , that's a miracle, but really 30fps is a fluid screen wityh no frame drops then for my eyes, here by we are all but different so it's hard to calculate what is visable for the one and the other.

hmm sorry it isn't pointless it's rather interesting, otherwise I wouldn't post such a difficult thing. 

And not to mention That I was argueing, to argue is  pointless, nether the less.

Hmm to watch TV on a monitor still gives a fluid image and still the images moves @ 30fps so does Live TV on both type of screens, still odd, I think it's something got to do with bluring, that makes the image smoother as in films and so on, something like that.

Anyways playing a game @ 30 fps at that framerate in a constantly stable situation does give a smooth image, but yes I do agree that 60 fps avaridge is a perfect speed, since that there are frame drops of 30 fps sometimes which keeps the framerate at a very fluid state

a avr of 70 to 80 fps is perfect, then the lowest framedrop is also higher than 30 fps

Did more research myself today and yeap Gary and all you other lads are correct all the way, silly me hehe

With an AVR of 40 you get framedrops below the 30 fps and that is where the stuttering's enter the battlefield yaay