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Mansfield Full Member Offline Voodoo 2 SLI - the cheapest and the best SLI Posts: 212 Finland Gender:	Re: Meet ATi's R600!!! Reply #45 - 28.01.07 at 22:12:13 do you still think that R600 is released at same time with Vista, seems to be that lauch will be delayed 'till March
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Obi-Wan_Kenobi Ex Member	Re: Meet ATi's R600!!! Reply #46 - 29.01.07 at 00:02:43 please don't tkae the gossip from VR-Zone for real That info is from a Nvidian and another thing the reputation on new ATi info from VR-Zone is one of the most reliable places to read that, so don't take it that serious please! VR-Zone also very pro nVidia as anti ATi so don't take their gossip for real for newer ATi designs.
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Re: Meet ATi's R600!!!
Reply #47 - 29.01.07 at 18:38:57

Either way, they should have thier Vista drivers fixed. I blew out two cards using Vista and the beta drivers.

Either way it doesn't matter I'm not going Vista at all. I'll be switching over to a Linux distro before Vista. Hell, even Mac is getting some better game support so I might go that route as well. XP for me for now though, at least for a long while.

As it is though, it's expensive, it's bloated and it's buggy. They are in beta testing for the first SP already if that tells you anything.

If MS wants to cut down on pirated copies, they should have the license agreements for family. As it is it's way to expensive. There pricing the Home Ultra addition for 259 for it. Well make a family pack for 309.99 but allow you to install on up to three or five pc's. Almost every house has one pc, many more have more then one.

I know one of the arguments is that the "Average" home user will just go out and buy a new pc with Vista on it already and negate the whole issue. This should still be an option. I've got 4 pc's with XP on them. Three of those are Vista ready. Am I spending 777 dollars on three upgrades? No. Can I even afford to? No. Will I ever be upgrading because of this? No.

Allowing a family option for this would cut down alot on piracy. At least IMO.

Any how, I went off topic, sorry. (/rant off) Tongue

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Obi-Wan_Kenobi

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Re: Meet ATi's R600!!!
Reply #48 - 29.01.07 at 19:39:50

no probs thougfh I do agree with your Vista thing.

Vista Premium is about 169 euro's here kinda pathetic for an OS.

I'm sticking to my XP pro USA copies too, not go'n for a MAC or so they don't have as much game support as XP does no way heh, even the graphics cards for MAC are very behind squedule.

as for linux, very bad ATi GFX support would need a GeForce for that, then I'm like No thanx!! I would terribly miss my ATi Control panels!

SO It's WinXP for my part, ATI allready has good drivers for Vista that problem seemed to have been fixed check here Jan

http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/windows_vista_performance_amd_catalyst_7.1/

there seem to be many improvements

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Re: Meet ATi's R600!!!
Reply #49 - 29.01.07 at 21:48:27

Hm, I must say the current CCC loading times are quite pathetic.

ATI should have never used the bloated .NET for a Driver, IMHO their biggest (Driver-)mistake of the last years.

A good Driver is compact and uses absolutely minimal resources.

In the space any current Video Card Driver is using, we used to have room for complete 3D Retail Games no so long ago.

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Obi-Wan_Kenobi

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Re: Meet ATi's R600!!!
Reply #50 - 30.01.07 at 01:34:01

heh there are omega drivers for that, ATi Tray Tool rules!
Only for CrossFire setups I'd say use ATi Tool [ATi Tool is different that ATi Tray Tool, just to keep in mind]

only when you have a differential CF setup like me an ATi X1900XTX + X1950 XTX CFE thenn the Catalyst Control Center is a must, which is kinda the downside.

anyways PC"s of today are quite fast enough for the CCC, but yes it's pretty ghey that you need NET Framework 2.0 to make it work, pretty messy way to make use of a control panel.

though the NV drivers look worse espeacially the new skin they use, that isn't heaven too, then I rather prefer the ATI CCC, @ least it works and the layout is more logical.

Remember the old control Panel guys, now THAT
was the best sollution ever.

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gdonovan YaBB Administrator Offline Infernal Collector Posts: 2361	Re: Meet ATi's R600!!! Reply #51 - 30.01.07 at 03:31:06 Quote: only when you have a differential CF setup like me an ATi X1900XTX + X1950 XTX CFE thenn the Catalyst Control Center is a must, which is kinda the downside. ATI's drivers always were a PITA.
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paulpsomiadis God Member Offline -=3Dfx still rox!=- Posts: 2011 Newcastle U.K. Gender:	Re: Meet ATi's R600!!! Reply #52 - 30.01.07 at 03:48:55 The custom Omega drivers, however - are really very user friendly indeed! Which is why me, @Obi_Wan and (probably) most of the ATI card owners use these instead of the standard ATI drivers! 8) Also they use the old style 'control panel' rather than the ghey CC .NET rubbish...
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Obi-Wan_Kenobi

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Re: Meet ATi's R600!!!
Reply #53 - 30.01.07 at 16:25:56

LoL I use ATi Catalyat 6.12 no problems with CrossFire setups, it's that some lads don't know how to config them Roll Eyes

when updating to a new driver aways remove the old ones and the remains in the C:\ATi folder , aftet that re boot and install the newer ones.

I have been usng ATi cards since the 9700 Pro and till now now problems, there isn't nothing wrong with ATi as Omega drivers, I kinda find the Nvidian driver A.P.O.C.

crappy 2D image quallity as crappy 3D, nah it's3dfx or ATi here, I prefer High Quallity not Moderate Quallity Wink

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gdonovan YaBB Administrator Offline Infernal Collector Posts: 2361	Re: Meet ATi's R600!!! Reply #54 - 30.01.07 at 16:28:54 Quote: LoL I use ATi Catalyat 6.12 no problems with CrossFire setups, it's that some lads don't know how to config them Excuse me? Clicking on the graphics properties and getting a blue screen crash on a fresh OS & driver install is rediculous.
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Obi-Wan_Kenobi

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Re: Meet ATi's R600!!!
Reply #55 - 30.01.07 at 16:54:07

lol not everyone has that .

NV drivers are crap imho as many other ATi users think that.

no need to be excused. it such talk that all ATi drivers are bad a PITA sounds more like typical Anti ATi behaviour ...

If the ATi were so bad why are there so many ATi users?

It's because you don't like ATi drivers that is your opinion, no probs there, but don't make it a point overall, since everyone has their own opinion on what is best for their situations, if it's ATi or Nvidia.

Sorry mate I am no way stepping back to NV, my experience with them is like yours with ATi if you'd like to see it that way. Angry

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Re: Meet ATi's R600!!!
Reply #56 - 30.01.07 at 17:01:35

1) As some who owns both ATI and Nvidia products I can clearly state with some authority that the Nv drivers are generally more stable than the ATI drivers.

Note I said DRIVERS- Nothing about image quality, options etc.

I use two machines every day- One has ATI X850, the other a 6600GT. The one with the Nv board gives me fewer graphics issues than the ATI machine.

2) "beacuse x amount of people use it, it must be good" is a piss poor arguement.

If that were a truism then you should pitch your current internet provider and get AOL.

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Obi-Wan_Kenobi

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Re: Meet ATi's R600!!!
Reply #57 - 30.01.07 at 17:07:12

there is no proof that their drivers are not stable lol, still can't agree there sorry Grin

then again Why are there so many ATi users Wink

AOL no thanx this is Europe mate Wink

I use Trillian much cleaner.

I have 4 systems all with ATI cards:

P4 S423 1700
ATi 9550 AGP 256MB + Omega 7.01
WinXP Pro NL SP2

AXP 2700+
ATi X800 XT PE AGP 256MB + Omega 6.03
Win2K Pro USA SP4

P4 HT 3400
ATI M18 MR9800 AGP 256MB + Omega 6.03
WinXP Pro USA SP2.

A64 X2 4400+
ATi X1900XTX PCI-E 512MB + ATi X1950XTX CrossFire Edition PCI-E 512MB in CrossFire Setup + ATi Catalyst 6.12 WHQL
WinXP Pro USA SP2

And, really, I have never had troubles here. all my other 80 contacts use ATi cards even they never had troubles, still don't get your negative drift.

it's because your experience is negative don't effect others with it, it's not natural and unfair.

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Reply #58 - 30.01.07 at 17:20:52

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there is no proof that their drivers are not stable lol, still can't agree there sorry

Haave no proof? I have a system as proof, sorry.

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then again Why are there so many ATi users Wink

I'll repete since you are being dense- Numbers of users do not equate something as "good"

It's a false logic argument and I even provided an example why. Millions of people use AOL as thier ISP, that doesn't mean I'll be using that service just because others don't know what a real ISP is.

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it's because your experience is negative don't effect others with it ,it's not natural and unfair.

Don't be an zealot, it's distastful and I'm not the only one.

Fair? I have an ATI board that doesn't function proper under a "supported" OS with a clean install.

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Obi-Wan_Kenobi

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Re: Meet ATi's R600!!!
Reply #59 - 30.01.07 at 17:38:02

Yes you have one and so do many other millions of people that don't have your strange problems with theirs.

Number do have proof of a good pruduct, but oh well suppose your opinion is different there, I'm fine with that.

It's because you have a problem with it don't through it over the other's fence, as I never have problems with mine Wink

Use Omega Driver 6.03 it should fix your problems, since this driver is the best for the R4.xx series VPU's, your VPU is a R480

http://www.ngohq.com/home.php?page=Files&go=cat&dwn_cat_id=14&go=giveme&dwn_id=2...

click that url and the download will start in few seconds

when installing this driver don't install the ATi Tray Tool use Radlinker instead Wink

http://downloads.guru3d.com/downloadget.php?id=609&file=4&evp=c324754d9171eea7ca...

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