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Why I hate nVIdiots! >:( (Read 967 times)
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Reply #15 - 26.04.04 at 15:35:02
 
As bad as it sounds, I still own the card that toppled 3dfx's crowning glory, the Creative Labs 3D Blaster GeForce2 Pro DDR 64mb.  I admire the hardware and technology that has been put into it, as it is still performing brilliantly on today's new games.

I just don't like nVidia as a company, and ALL of their strategies. 
The marketing strategies and the amount of different "MX" and "FX" and "XT" models that are produced to dupe the customer into getting something they could have really done without.  However, the customer can also be blamed here as many unexperienced graphics cards buyers buy on the "base it on bigger numbers" motto.

Other strategies such as takeover bids and the way they take to see out rivals.  The way they lied about 3dfx customer and staff support throughout the process, and gave nothing back to the 3dfx loyalists once nVidia claimed what they set out for, CAPITALISATION.

This is the factor that makes me wonder if the GF2 will be the last nVidia card I own?

Would this be due to the fact, to spite nVidia for their harsh treatment of 3dfx?
Or,
Because their future technology is now seen as inferior compared to ATI's "real" PCIExpress and Shader 3.0 technology?

Well, morally, it's both.  I have no past experience of the FX series to base my opinions on, but I do have advice, reviews and experience gathered from users who have used both the FX and the Radeon series.  And everyone says go with Radeon.

Maybe nVidia will never meet the same fate as 3dfx, and get their come-uppance, but I believe they copied some of 3dfx last marketing strategies, which are becoming bad habits for nVidia, and this will lead them to always play second fiddle next to ATI.

I just can't wait to see what Matrox, ATI, XGI and 3DLabs all have to offer us in the future.
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Reply #16 - 26.04.04 at 17:33:23
 
Such is capitalism...

This is unfortunately the harsh reality of the world we live in.  The whole Nvida 3dfx thing is just an exampleof this.  But what most people don't seem to understand, they will if they read up on the subject, is that it was 3dfx that were mostly to blame for this situation.   Also Nvidia did not purchase 3dfx, they purchased core technologies and the Voodoo name, which means that Nvidia are not responsible for support.  This was purely a calculated move to kill off the competition.  What was left of 3dfx was entirely responsible for customer support and warranties on existing products.

The time has come now, for people to just get over it.  Why support, endorse or hate either one of these?  They're big fat capitalist graphics card corporations  out to make a wad of cash out of people that can afford to sit about playing games, they're not football teams, religious groups or political pressure groups.

3dfx were every bit as "bad" as Nvidia (or Intel, Ms, etc).  ATI are no angels either, they have pulled some scams in their time, don't forget Quake3 vs Quack3. Wink
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Reply #17 - 26.04.04 at 22:56:21
 
sometimes in life you pick sides over things others might think silly, ive picked sides over a few things that have meant something to me and thats that, my brother loves nvidia and buys a new card of theres every year, i play alot of call of duty, the game looks good and my frame rates are good and its on my v5500  Smiley and that puts a smile on my face and ill not ever get over that as i kick his nvida backed ass all over the place Wink
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Reply #18 - 27.04.04 at 00:58:12
 
I'm not sure why anyone would love nvidia but hey... Smiley

I've never bought their cards either, not since TNT/TNT2 anyway, and I used those purely for the Voodoo1/2 cards I had at the time.  But I don't waste my time "hating" Nvidia perhaps because I have better things to do.

Later. Wink
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Reply #19 - 27.04.04 at 06:21:35
 
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I'm not sure why anyone would love nvidia but hey... Smiley

I've never bought their cards either, not since TNT/TNT2 anyway, and I used those purely for the Voodoo1/2 cards I had at the time.  But I don't waste my time "hating" Nvidia perhaps because I have better things to do.

Later. Wink


Ah, amen to that m8. 3dfx is gone and dead people, if you want to continue to hold on to your voodoos, and hating the company that took in many of the employees who were stranded by 3dfx, be my guest. I don't really know if nvidia could support 3dfx users, 3dfx didn't exactly build their cards to last or be ready for the next standards. You all seem to hate nvidia because they're a corporation. Well, that's what corporations do. But just remember, hatred like yours might someday fall back on you. Nobody is perfect, everybody is looking to grab that little extra boost, that extra wad of dough, that couple extra 3D Marks, and nobody's exempt. I was once an nvidia hater, too, but I've stopped to look at things for what they really are. Nvidia bought 3dfx's technology just the same way as 3dfx bought STB (okay, it was *technically* a merger). Nvidia makes graphics cards, and hey, if the next time I go to buy one, Nvidia can give me a better product for my money, that's where my money will go. I'm already seriously looking at those nforce chipsets, they appear to be really good.
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Reply #20 - 27.04.04 at 12:45:40
 
i assume amp to be right.
me purchased 3dfx boards because it was the fastest & most stable sh*t on the market. now, it's ati. so why should i buy something else, as ati isn't the most expensive gfx producer?

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besides, 3dfx & ati seemed/seem to be companies closely connected to their buyers, some kind of good relationship, ya know. you won't find such one @ nvidia.
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Reply #21 - 27.04.04 at 21:45:39
 
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i assume amp to be right.
me purchased 3dfx boards because it was the fastest & most stable sh*t on the market. now, it's ati. so why should i buy something else, as ati isn't the most expensive gfx producer?


Hmm, you all seem to love to parallel Nvidia's pixel pipelines to 3dfx, what about ATI not bringing up the latest pixel shader standards? Doesn't this sort of remind anyone of a certain hardware TnL engine? Fairly useless at the time, but almost a requirement for games produced not long afterwards...

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besides, 3dfx & ati seemed/seem to be companies closely connected to their buyers, some kind of good relationship, ya know. you won't find such one @ nvidia.


I don't really know about that either. Quite frankly, I've never contacted ATI tech support, but Nvidia has a tech support forum that got my linux driver issue straightened out within a couple hours, that's the fastest I've ever had anything straightened out. Hell, most of the time, tech support email addresses either never respond, or spit me back some automatically generated cr*p telling me how to do something that I already explicitly stated I've already tried. My experience with Nvidia has definately been my best one with any tech support of a company.

EDIT: Micha, I did read that article, albiet a couple months ago.
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Reply #22 - 28.04.04 at 13:17:18
 
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EDIT: Micha, I did read that article, albiet a couple months ago.

hooray, it was useful!  Grin

anyway, i agree nvidia to have better (afaik ati don't offer it so far) linux support.
contacting ati support isn't useless at all. e.g. you'll mostly receive a free driver/support cd if you request for one.

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you all seem to love to parallel Nvidia's pixel pipelines to 3dfx, what about ATI not bringing up the latest pixel shader standards? Doesn't this sort of remind anyone of a certain hardware TnL engine? Fairly useless at the time, but almost a requirement for games produced not long afterwards...

well, good things take their time, right? ati wasn't the 1st company to present dx7/vshader1.1 boards, either...but hey, they recently offered bettter picture quality. useless to talk about their pshader1.4 engagement...
concerning the use of shaders, my radeon9200 (still pshader1.4) has only to issues concerning so-called dx9 games:
1. Halo - the guys which should appear like being hollow are reproduced badly (anyway, we know pshader1.4 to have ghost shaders, right?)
2. Far Cry - the reflectance inside the sniper occulars are rubbish - crappity smack it
what i want to say by that: shader2.0 aren't so widely used nowadays or in other words: pshader1.4 are mostly able to do the same job (mostly even faster). so i don't expect new games to use shader3.0 so quickly. the only enginge presented up to now doing so is the unreal engine 3 (@ gforce 5600 presentation) - really amazing sh*t!
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Reply #23 - 29.04.04 at 19:44:56
 
At the end of the day, people take their own opinions on things for what they see them, just like nVidia and ATI.

People like beta and amp have every right to do what they feel, and if that involves buying an nVidia card because they believe it to be the best choice for them, that is the right thing to do.

It just seems that this forum is biased to the opposite, in that most users have a bad relationship with nVidia because of how nVidia treat people on a GENERAL level.

It just seems the majority of users opinions are to choose ATI over nVidia, for whatever reason, be it that it is down to a dirty past towards the 3dfx treatment, or down to today's issues such as a GENERAL reputation of bad user support, incompetitive high prices of hardware or inferior technology standards against ATI's.
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Reply #24 - 30.04.04 at 21:35:14
 
Hey hey, I didn't say I've bought any  Tongue (save for my $10 GF2). And I think beta was trying to say that he doesn't sit around the house thinking "Hmm, what can I do to take down Nvidia today?"
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Reply #25 - 01.05.04 at 19:49:48
 
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Hey hey, I didn't say I've bought any  Tongue (save for my $10 GF2). And I think beta was trying to say that he doesn't sit around the house thinking "Hmm, what can I do to take down Nvidia today?"

or, in other words:
"Hmm, what can I do to hate down Nvidia today?"
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Reply #26 - 03.05.04 at 14:56:31
 
Hehe. The nVidia Hate Squad!  Smiley

He is a member of the basque seperatist group, Al-nVidia! He was found with weapons of mass-Hardware Acceleration!
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Reply #27 - 03.05.04 at 23:20:37
 
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Hehe. The nVidia Hate Squad!  Smiley

He is a member of the basque seperatist group, Al-nVidia! He was found with weapons of mass-Hardware Acceleration!


Who on earth are you talking about?
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Reply #28 - 04.05.04 at 14:31:28
 
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Who on earth are you talking about?


what? didn't get it? well, i don't have time to explain; I'm off to hate nvidia now. Grin
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Reply #29 - 13.05.04 at 14:51:49
 
Well at least someone got it (thanks btw, Micha!)  Wink
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