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Reply #210 - 26.03.07 at 17:03:09
 
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yeaps Grin 3dfx still rules overall haha so funny even that CS-Source ran on a Voodoo3 3000 AGP LOL

Shocked gotta try that immediately. I think that even Ati rage128 fury maxx can't run it
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Reply #211 - 26.03.07 at 17:23:52
 
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ati X1650 seems to be ok!

Yes, but don't just look at the charts - read the article given completely:
"The availability of the Radeon X1650XT is a worry given that samples were available two months ago when the product was launched, yet retail versions are still very difficult to come by. Furthermore, ATI has slapped a MSRP of $150 on the cards, though it is said that for at least the first few weeks the X1650XT will not meet this price tag. If this is the case then it could certainly be a matter of too little too late from ATI, particularly given the fact that the X1650XT is not DirectX 10 compliant."

And You've mentioned x1550 and x1650 (lower price range) - I'd dare to say, you thought on x1650pro and not XT? If so, then look at this:

http://www23.tomshardware.com/graphics.html?modelx=33&model1=529&model2=590&char...
http://www23.tomshardware.com/graphics.html?modelx=33&model1=529&model2=590&char...


and if you dislike a comparison to an Nvidia card, take a look at this:

http://www23.tomshardware.com/graphics.html?modelx=33&model1=575&model2=590&char...

Comparison between x800XT AGP ( 34FPS ) and x1650pro (20 FPS)

You can check the same out for Oblivion:

http://www23.tomshardware.com/graphics.html?modelx=33&model1=575&model2=590&char...
or, 7600GT vs x1650pro:
http://www23.tomshardware.com/graphics.html?modelx=33&model1=529&model2=590&char...

Anyway, I know what I'm saying - somebody would like to belive that x16x0XT is better then x800XT, but it just isn't. Forget about shaders. 40% faster? Only in 3Dmark and only XT version.

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how ever a  X1650XT is about 40% faster than a X850 XT PE AGP

This is what I call, a good dream  Grin


Here's what I mean 39 FPS (x850 XT PE) vs 29 FPS (x1650XT):
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x1650 was run on: - Intel Core 2 Duo E6700 (2.66GHz), - Corsair PC2-6400 2GB DDR2,  ASUS P5W DH Deluxe (Intel 975X)

x850 on : AMD Athlon64 3200+, 2x 512 MB Micron DDR 333MHz CL 2.5 3-3-6, MSI K8T Neo

So, undoubtebly x1650 was favoured in the rest of hardware and still it loses. x850 is cca 35% faster then x1650XT  8)
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Reply #212 - 26.03.07 at 17:49:32
 
hehe comparing Fear 1.0 and 1.3 which was used on the X1650XT is a very BIG difference since path 1.3 makes Fear have more heavier textures therefore the lesser fps, a X850 XT PE wouldn't like that.

since it lacks shadermodel 3.0 Wink

it's that the X850XT PE renders in Shader Model 2.0B the 6800Ultra as X1650XT render in ShaderModel3.0 but yeaps the X850XT PE has the advantage of 256bit GDDR3 true there Smiley

But in other games the X1650XT can be alot faster than the 850.
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Reply #213 - 26.03.07 at 17:50:12
 
About those benches :

Mind that these may very likely come from different Scenes being benchmarked, so they're not comparable (the first is a recorded Demo, the second apparently the internal Benchmark - who knows)

For all I know, the Radeon X1650 class was a major step up from the X1600 class (which was often found slower than expected and - as you mentioned - indeed fell beind the older X800/850 series)
In comparison, the X1950 only gained some ~7% over the X1900 as it marked the end of their possibilities at the time of release.
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Reply #214 - 26.03.07 at 17:52:29
 
yes very true Smiley but Norries I will bench Fear on my X800XT PE AGP in my upcomming Dual OpteronDC 280 soon and we'll see how long the R420 can play along Smiley
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Reply #215 - 26.03.07 at 22:30:31
 
I don't know about Fear or some of the other games. I know my X850 Pro (256 meg)  ran smoother then a regular X1600 512 meg Pro card with a faster processor. At a lan party with a friend who's got that card and was amazed at how much better my card was playing CoD2 and Splinter Cell played compared to his box. I'm waiting for him to get aload out of my 1950 pro now  Grin  But that, for me, was proof enough that even the 1650's aren't as good as the X850's especially since mine was at stock clock speeds. OC's the pro's to the XTPE edition would bring that gap even further apart.
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Reply #216 - 26.03.07 at 22:47:20
 
well in Germany the GeCube X1950XT AGP Turbo's are available in full quanities Cheesy that's my goal allrighty!
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Reply #217 - 26.03.07 at 23:03:56
 
Yeah, well piss off....  Grin   I can't get it here yet (that was being said with all the love in my heart.) hehehe    and was only kidding.   Wink   


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Reply #218 - 26.03.07 at 23:25:33
 
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Yeah, well piss off....  Grin    (that was being said with all the love in my heart.) hehehe    and was only kidding.   Wink


Well Jan the X1950XT AGP Turbo is planned for the Dual OpteronDC 280.

and yeps selling the CrossFire Rig it's far too powerfull for what i nneed it for, not great for rendering 3D on pure CPU power, need Opteron Dual Cores for that, Since I don't want Intel, I stick to AMD Opteron Dual Cores in SMP setup of 2 CPU's Smiley The Motherboard has been ordered and is one the way, the MSI MS-9617 K8T Master2-FAR7 with AGP Pro x8 50Watt slot good enough for a nice X1950 XT Turbo might eb able to mod it to a FireGL model 8)

Still rocking on my good and trust R420 XT PE AGP from ASUS, it's something hard to leave behind still having so much fun with it, anyways it's in the AthlonXP 2700+ in AGP x4 mode but even in the moderate system it can run F.E.A.R. Combat 1.3 with out problems @ 1280 x 1024 x32 max settings! I was like Crikey quite amazing for such an old system setup most parts like CPU, memory, Motherboard HDD's are liek 5 years old the X800XT PE AGP is from week 41 year 2004 so he's about 3 years old now.

In other words your system even with the X850 Pro would kick the crap out of mine hahahaha  Grin

Greetings from teh LIMECAT LooL Grin
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Reply #219 - 26.03.07 at 23:28:07
 
Damn! Very cool.   Smiley  I'm suprised my system's last as long as it has. For the most part it's going on 3/4 years old. I've had some upgrades here and there but for the most part? She's getting old. The new card put some added life into her, that's for sure.   Grin


Don't think it'd actually kick the crap out of yours beat it, yeah but not by that much of a margin.

LOL and lime cat looks like he needs some katnip or something.   Grin
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Reply #220 - 26.03.07 at 23:36:30
 
well my main AGP system setup now is :

AMD AthlonXP 2700+
ASUS A7V333-R VIA Apollo KT333 [Main 3dfx flying testbed also]
1x Twinpack 2x 512MB PC-2700 Kingston Valueram
ASUS AX800XT Platinum Edition AGP 256MB GDDR3 Rev.B 0441 8)
3dfx Voodoo 5 5500 PCI 64MB Rev.A1 2900
Creative Labs Sound Blaster Audigy2 Platinum eX[ Gift from dad, really]
1x Seagate Barracuda V 120GB 7200,7 rpm ATA HDD
Thermaltake Pure Power 520Watt EPS 12V with Power Station 5,25" Docking bay
LG 48.16x DVD Rom Player
Plextor Plex-Writer PX48/24/48A
Sony Floppy Disc Drive W000t!
This Floppy drive really rocks it has done a nice 7 years of trustfull service!

and yeah the new setup will replace the X2 4400+ CrossFire Setup, since I want to do 3D Modelling & Flight Sims on it, CrossFire is very powerfull i know but I can sell it and use that money for something I can bennefit with my new goals, so hey! why not Smiley

The X1950XT AGP Turbo should get the job done right for the Dual OpteronDC 280 system.
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Reply #221 - 27.03.07 at 07:41:36
 
ATI RV630's (X2600) late - again. It's launch is planned for end of may and it will enter production in June. That means that Nvidia GF8600 is going to have no competition for at least two months.

http://www.itx.ba/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=374&Itemid=1
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Reply #222 - 27.03.07 at 12:45:13
 
heh looks like ATi is facing the same problem as 3dfx did with the Voodoo 5 6000 and 3dfx Rampage 2000 cards.
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Reply #223 - 28.03.07 at 10:37:38
 
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ATI RV630's (X2600) late - again. It's launch is planned for end of may and it will enter production in June. That means that Nvidia GF8600 is going to have no competition for at least two months.

http://www.itx.ba/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=374&Itemid=1


Damn Angry well more time to compile money for tha card. X2600Xt will beat GF8600GT for sure 8)

I'm really waiting "n-gage 2" = compination of quality finnish cell phone from NOKIA and best graphics for cell phones from ATi
http://www.techshout.com/mobile-phones/2006/06/ati-nokia-collaborate-for-offerin...
http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2006/05/04/ati_nokia_multimedia_deal/

btw which cell phone brand's mobile phone do you carry

I have Nokia 3100 small and easy to use
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Reply #224 - 28.03.07 at 17:56:11
 
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btw which cell phone brand's mobile phone do you carry

I have Nokia 3100 small and easy to use

Well, the cheapest I could find after the pension of my Siemens S55 - Nokia 1112; it's a phone and nothing more. And it works! It's just like Intel integrated graphics!  Grin
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