I see the usual suspect(s) violating the basic Forum ROE's but nothing new there... Good behaviour isn't for everyone it seems.

As far as I know, there are only three sorts of people when it comes to climate change :

1) People and organizations who profit massively from keeping everything "as is" for as long as possible, large scale industry members and their lobbyists. They actually care, but only about their profits. Cleaning up their production lines means investing money without any immediate profits and they hate that more than death.
Easy to understand (humans) but short-sighted and basically says "we'd kill the last tree, animal or human on the planet if there's money to be made with it".
Not too bright, not too f*cking bright... (good businessmen though)

2) People who precisely researched everything they measured and had it confirmed by hundreds of other scientists or verified their knowledge by other means. Whether CO2 is the holy grail or not in the end, climate research is "learning in progress" and naturally subject to some change over time. Absolute measurements however do not lie - climate simply is changing dramatically.
Arguably, the planet doesn't care a bit... humans however should, if given the choice.
Personally, I'd say it's too late to avoid what's coming however, looking at the level of improvements.

3) Those that simply don't care. Too busy with their own tiny existence I guess, be it by stress or just a very range-limited horizon. Consequently, even basic humanitarian approaches simply fail them.
But since there's no law prohibiting to be ignorant, nothing really further could be held against them. Technically, they're legal.

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On the Hacked Emails and such :
They're out, have been analyzed and revealed.... nothing new.

The fact that scientists also have to "sell" their findings and harden them against lobbyism in adequate ways isn't surprising nor new.
If all they did was to publish science newsletters, most people wouldn't even know about climate issues. That's the way things are. Despite the majority of people now having almost unlimited access to worldwide information (a billion times more knowledge available to them than a mere 25 years ago), the percentage of them who actually invest time and actively research information is still frightening low.
Knowledge about their surrounding planet has become an increasing dividing line it seems, otherwise it's unexplainable why some still have no clue while their very neighbour (literally) may have in-depth, hard information at the same time.

I believe "man made" global warming is just a ploy. To mainly gain control by scaring people, and forcing certain beliefs on the population by passing laws etc etc.

Lets look at how many billions of years of years the Earth has been around. To think that we as humans started churning out co2 at a high rate about 100 years ago. Then to think that we could actually have that sort of impact is giving us waaay too much credit.

Whatever is happening as far as temperatures on Earth is going to happen. Whether we are here or not.

As far as people saying politics suck and its not worth worrying about. I actually agree. The problem is that its funny. I do worry about money. The government has a knack for taking hard earned money and using it in ways that it has no right to. This is in the u.s. of course.

I have to get off my soap box. I can feel my blood pressure spiking thinking about this stuff.

@ Tim - Stop flip flopping, first you talk like you are uninformed, then after rotten's statement, you come off like you don't care or pay attention.  Now you state that you do care.  Which one is it?  That is what is so frustrating, when talking to you. 

@sb306 - The way politics goes it does get tiring... however keep in mind that, "A government that is afraid of it's people is democracy, but a people that is afraid of it's government is tyranny."  Also, there is a new TV show on TruTV (formerly CourtTV) called Conspiracy Theory hosted by former Minnesota governor Jesse Ventura.  The first episode was on H.A.A.R.P (very interesting!).  The series is only seven episodes as the series is just being aired.  Its on Wednesday evening around 10pm Eastern.

@ Falconfly - you've certainly done your homework! 

@ gdonovan - good points.  Only one thing is that coal is actually a much cleaner burning fuel these days.  The reason why the oil industry wants to shut down the coal industry is that there is no monopoly or duopoly in the coal industry.  So the banksters who own the oil companies want to shut the coal industry down.

Governement/politics & the Environment are no longer homogenous topics, since the Governement realizes they can control and tax the people through Environmental issues.

*hugs* 

These topics are all highly emotional.  Sorry for pushing my opinion on you.  I just feel that, when you throw out the original weather data records, you have to be somewhat suspicious.

Well, that's a rather harmless animation indeed

Anyway, just like any big/global topic, discussion is likely to be heated.

Besides :
Global warming isn't actually "politics". It just happens along and doesn't care about humans nor their politics.
Not sure if it helps our problem, but nature isn't something that could be invited to diplomatic talks or such. That's what makes people go at each other, since this time, there's no easy "other" to blame and unload the burden of corrective action.

This episode aired last week.  The host is the ex Governor of Minnesota, ex US Navy Seal and ex pro wrestler.  This is the third episode so far on TruTV.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOYwur6T6tc&annotation_id=annotation_157582&featu...