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Reply #285 - 10.06.07 at 20:01:45
 
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Well, think about it what you want, but this Thread is gone if it gets one more Spam posting - my word stands as it is.

If people want Advertisement about any specific Card, they'll go look it up themselfes.

And because of that very reason, I will have to remove this Spam, otherwise anyone could - fully legitimate - open 20 Page "oh looky at this cool Stuff" Threads about any piece of Hardware they picked. And that's not what this Forum is for.

Summary from a current review :
- no reason to invest into a X2900XT CF setup
- draws significantly more power
- delivers 10% less performance than 8800GTS SLI
- existing Driver problems get worse in CF setups (16xFSAA fails)
- Noise levels : unacceptable

That card was originally targeted at the GTX and beyond - the only reason we're now seeing it priced near the GTS is the Result of the profound failure of that card to deliver what it was intended to.

And to you quoting me :
That was from 30 Jan (!)...
Where this Thread went in the meantime I demonstrated to you in my last posting - enough said.

I've been Moderator and Admin for a very long time, trust me that I can tell Spam when I see it. That's my job.


heh well spam is something totally different to your germanic rules than the dutch ones Iīm used to then, itīs just pure info I posted and it was placed in the right place the This and That area which was created for non 3dfx stuff, all I posted was ifo on this long awaited chip and yeaps your facts you posted are tre the cooler creats a heck of a sound but for that as tweakers there are plenty optional coolers to resolve that problem, makers like Artic as Zalman have great sollutions to that.

But anyways how it comes to me is that when talking about a non 3dfx card even in the this and tha area it should be seen as spam, then Iīm like what an easy way to crank of a topic.

sorry but itīs teh dutch hard truth, but  hey mate have it your simple way close this one because you just canīt accept a topic about a card of another vender such a shame it has to end this way , what a waiste.

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Re: ATi Discussions & ATi Troubleshooting
Reply #286 - 11.06.07 at 13:28:18
 
lets kick this back on topic-I got my msi x1950pro agp today,but I just cant get it working in my epox8k5a2+,after installing the driver xp seems to be loading,but it either hangs after displaying desktop for a few seconds,goes BSOD (related to atidvag.dll) or just displays black screen..weird enough,the driver loaded correctly once and everything seemed to work (opengl/D3D),but after restart it was back to usual BSOD/black screen businness..tried catalyst 7.4 and 7.5 (will try some older ones later),latest chipset drivers from epox homepage and via homepage,disabling fastwrites in BIOS,installing only the display driver,still the same..right now is seems like kt333+x1950pro=no go.

any ideas?
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Reply #287 - 11.06.07 at 21:34:37
 
Gratz PS47. Hope you can get it running soon, I've got the 1950 Pro 512 meg agp card as well and huge difference.

Hmmm Somethings to try. Check MSI's website or forums concerning the card. I had a Gigacube 9600 Pro (i know old but...) when I got the card it would not do any drivers that had come out after the drivers on the cd. At the time they were on Cat 4.9 or something. I had to contact Gigacube about it, they sent me a new bios update for the card and that was that.

Long shot, since most companies have that worked out but you never know.

The otherthing to worry about is a thermal pad on the back of card covering the back side of chipset. It feels like foam and looks like it shouldn't be there. That had fallen off a X1650 Pro card I had installed for someone and it caused the card to over heat. We ended up shipping that one back to Newegg.com for a replacement.

Just some thoughts, hope it helps.  
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Reply #288 - 11.06.07 at 22:43:53
 
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lets kick this back on topic-I got my msi x1950pro agp today,but I just cant get it working in my epox8k5a2+,after installing the driver xp seems to be loading,but it either hangs after displaying desktop for a few seconds,goes BSOD (related to atidvag.dll) or just displays black screen..weird enough,the driver loaded correctly once and everything seemed to work (opengl/D3D),but after restart it was back to usual BSOD/black screen businness..tried catalyst 7.4 and 7.5 (will try some older ones later),latest chipset drivers from epox homepage and via homepage,disabling fastwrites in BIOS,installing only the display driver,still the same..right now is seems like kt333+x1950pro=no go.

any ideas?


hmm interesting.

how about an older omega driver like Omega Catalyst 7.01?
and install the card without the fast writes option, since I did have similar things with my EP-8K5A2+ with the X800XT PE AGP but on the ASUS A7V333-R all went fine, maybe because of the bios or the way ASUS make their moboīs just better for late AGP x8 VGA cards?

It also can be the ATi Railto chip which is making AGP x4 function impossible, since the X800XT PE does not have one of those.

My GeForce 7600GT AGP from XFX did have similar problems on my 8K5A2+ as A7V333-R moboīs

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Re: ATi Discussions & ATi Troubleshooting
Reply #289 - 11.06.07 at 23:49:26
 
well the card is marked agp4x/8x compatible so in theory agp4x slot should not be a problem.this seems like a software compatibility problem,as I said,for one time,the card somehow worked,and it worked fine,I was just not able to repeat that state again.I will check on older catalysts as soon as my working shifts are over-that would be this friday.

fastwrites off+driver reinstall was the first thing I tried,no success.

shortly said,the driver(s) behave very weirdly,almost randomly..
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Reply #290 - 12.06.07 at 01:48:28
 
Well for one thing, I'd have to agree with Falcon on some of this, because of the amount of pages and pictures throughout this thread, it's taking a long time load. Maybe create a two new threads, one specifically for trouble shooting and the other for strictly info. Just a sugestion. Everyone here should know I like ATI but yeah, enough is enough. Trying to suggest something to ps47 to help and it's taking 10 minutes to load just kind of makes me go grrrrrr you know?

Anyway, I'd try new drivers also check to make sure the heatsink and fan are sitting correctly on the thing. I bought the Sapphire X1950 pro when it was first released in AGP form over in the us and there are a number of post saying that it wasn't being cooled right which caused some of the issues your describing. That heatsink and fan weren't always sitting on the GPU right. Being that it's MSI and they have a pretty decent product normally you could have been the 1% that something's not right there. Who knows. Just giving a suggestion to look at though.

Anyway good luck man. If worst case, get it replaced and see if it continues.
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Reply #291 - 12.06.07 at 17:40:42
 
heh well this thrread has had itīs ups and downs true but about the card Iīd say take an ASUS A7V333-R mobo or another mobo just see if it will do better.

@ ps47

If you have more KT333 moboīs laying around that is hehe, when the HD 2600XT AGP hits the market I am willing to test it on my KT333 mobo just to be sure of things as the EPoX EP-8K5A2+ as the ASUS A7M266-D with AMD  AM760MPX chipset which I bought from Falconfly, just to see if there might be a change just because of different motherboard design.

BTW got some info of the HD 2600 XT AGP here:

http://img.hexus.net/v2/internationalevents/computex2007/TS/Tuesday/IMG_4955-big...

http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=8943

and for the PCI-E users there is the GeCube Gemini 3 which has 2 HD 2600XTīs on one PCB as 4 DVI-Iīs:
http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=8895
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even MSI had a go at it:
http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/8791/geminium1no8.jpg
http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/9262/geminium2jd2.jpg
http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/660/geminium3nw5.jpg

So did Sapphire but with 4x DVI-I
http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/501/s03565000rk7.jpg

http://http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/1041/s03565615oc2.jpg

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/5485/s03570078mr1.jpg

the GeCube has the best design since itīs PCB size is morely better, as for the MSI as Sapphire nice ideas but wy too big for the mid end userīs opinion.

but the power consumption is alot better thn that power slurping R600, only 89 watts per RV630XT VPU at max load.

here some nice scores of the HD 2900XT 1024MB GDDR4 model:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=146577

to be honest not much of a difference with the 512MB GDDR3 model, just a marginal 2000 extra points, maybe that might change in heavier applications as for CAD applications.
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Re: ATi Discussions & ATi Troubleshooting
Reply #292 - 12.06.07 at 20:45:55
 
I have a working pc with epox 8k3a mobo,I'll try the card in it as well just to see if it produces the same errors.I think I'll try out that old sis mobo with duron1000 as well..

friday is going to be a busy day  Roll Eyes
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Reply #293 - 13.06.07 at 13:54:04
 
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I have a working pc with epox 8k3a mobo,I'll try the card in it as well just to see if it produces the same errors.I think I'll try out that old sis mobo with duron1000 as well..

friday is going to be a busy day  Roll Eyes

hmm the 8K3A is a very reliabl mobo itīs also rated as the best mobo for th Voodoo 5 6000 so far, Iīm quite sure that the X1950 Pro will do alot better on that one, the 8K5A2+ which I have had 2 times never gave my ATi, nVidia as 3dfx cards a stable ride while the 8K3A+ [Raid model] did.

SO that might be your ticket out Smiley

May The Force Be With You on Friday ps47 Wink
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Reply #294 - 15.06.07 at 20:49:49
 
ok,tested cat6.12,cat7.4 and omega7.4 so far with perfectly identical behaviour (still on epox8k5a2+):

1) driver instal,restart
2) blackscreen instead of desktop (but I can hear the starting sound,after that the pc seems to freeze),hard reset
3) pc loads desktop for 5 seconds,then locks up,hard reset
4) xp loads normally,full d3d/opengl funcionality with absolutely no problems
5) after restart I'm in 640*480/4bit desktop,and cant change the resolution to anything else.

beats me  Tongue
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Reply #295 - 15.06.07 at 21:14:22
 
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ok,tested cat6.12,cat7.4 and omega7.4 so far with perfectly identical behaviour (still on epox8k5a2+):

1) driver instal,restart
2) blackscreen instead of desktop (but I can hear the starting sound,after that the pc seems to freeze),hard reset
3) pc loads desktop for 5 seconds,then locks up,hard reset
4) xp loads normally,full d3d/opengl funcionality with absolutely no problems
5) after restart I'm in 640*480/4bit desktop,and cant change the resolution to anything else.

beats me  Tongue

heh that is very strange, might it be the Railto chip afterall?

I wonder what happens when using Windows 2000 Pro + SP4 might get the same nor the problems may go, if possible give the same driver a test run on your EP-8K3A+ as well just to see if there is a difference.

I think itīs the 8K5A2+ since I had two of these with the X800XT PE AGP and the same type of problems occured.


I hope you will get out of this one, because paying for card you canīt use isnīt pleasant.  Cry
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Reply #296 - 16.06.07 at 00:06:35
 
I don't know, I've had two Epox boards and had nothing but issues with both of them. Finally got rid of them and got a Gigabyte and Abit to replace them.
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Reply #297 - 16.06.07 at 17:22:15
 
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I don't know, I've had two Epox boards and had nothing but issues with both of them. Finally got rid of them and got a Gigabyte and Abit to replace them.

Heh same here, nothing but instabillity problems with EPoX moboīs except the good ole EPoX EP-BX3 which had the Intel BX440 chipset that board was the best BX440 board of itīs time and itīs still in service at my sistors place, it neer crashes it has a nice Pentium3 Coppermine 650Mhz Slot1 CPU as 3x 128MB PC-100 from Micron Crucial, that system used to have my Voodoo3 3500 TV AGP in it with Creative Labs AWE64 Gold.

the EPoX EP-8K3A+ was better with the X800XT PE than the 8K5A2+ though qua overall stabillity runs even after reboot, therefore I advised ps47 to take the 8K3A+ for a test run with his X1950 Pro 8) I really hope it will work out for him. Lips Sealed
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Reply #298 - 16.06.07 at 18:37:59
 
@ps47 - if you STILL have issues with EPoX boards, just ditch the brand entirely and go buy something from SOLTEK. Wink

I've been using Soltek boards with ALL my Radeon cards and have never had any issues at all! Cheesy
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Reply #299 - 16.06.07 at 18:50:46
 
@ ps47

just use ASUS they always work with almost any card that is out there like the Soltekīīs do though I have little experience with solteks, I morely prefer ASUS they arenīt to expensive but they always work the way they should do like ABiTīs do also.

I suppose EPoX had itīs time after the 8K3A+ after that model it went downhill fast, brands like ABiT, ASUS, Gigabyte, DFI, Soltek as MSI just got better.

Though some lads had their conflicts with MSI never had that here had two very reliable models only there were not KT333 based. one had the nVidia nForce3 250 Gb chipset for Socket 754 and the other had  the VIA Apollo K8T800 chipset for dual Socket 940 both had AGP x8 and worked flawlessly with ATI AGP x8 as nVidia AGP x8 cards in AGP x8 as AGP x4 modes.

Here a review on how a crossFire setup of 2 HD 2600XT's perform, this performancer can be compared with those HD 2600XT Dual Gemini cards Wink
http://www.hothardware.com/articles/ATI_Radeon_HD_2600_and_2400_Performance/?pag...

GeCube HD 2600XT Gemini 512MB
...
not bad for a Gemini card which will be around 189 Euro's a good bang for the buck imho 8) in single card / chip[ mode the HD 2600XT ins't that prommisng, to fix that there are the crossFire setups as Gemini card where as the Gemini's will use lesser power than two full HD 2600XT cards in CrossFire them selves.
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