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Re: Going retro gaming with 3DFX
Reply #60 - 28.10.13 at 19:49:06
 
small update:

I installed the modded XP-M, it detects it as expected, a 2400Mhz Athlon XP, MP capable Smiley

I ran 3dMark again, but it doesn't seem to want to run it, in fact....I get errors all over the place, BSOD with XP.....what is default voltage of XP-M?

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Re: Going retro gaming with 3DFX
Reply #61 - 28.10.13 at 21:51:39
 
ultima wrote on 28.10.13 at 19:49:06:
.....what is default voltage of XP-M?




http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/K7/AMD-Mobile%20Athlon%20XP-M%203000+%20-%20AXMA30...

Vcore = 1.65V

But that's 2.2 GHz, if you overclocked the CPU it will need just a little more to be stable.

And the problem might not be the voltage, most likely the problem is the FSB, non standard FSB will cause a lot of problems.

66/100/133/200 MHZ FSB is ok, but 112 MHZ for example can cause a lot of problems.

Let's say you have a Barton 2500+, FSB 166. You can change the FSB to 200 MHZ, it will practically become a Barton 3200+ and it will run stable (in most of the cases).

Changing to FSB to 183 MHZ (for example) will cause a lot of problems, even if the final frequency will be lower.
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Reply #62 - 28.10.13 at 22:17:00
 
But that is the strange thing, I have it set for 2.4Ghz with a 266Mhz fsb @ 1.7V vcore, it ran that easily on an Abit NF7-s motherboard, the default for the board.

Also strange was that I had to re-install drivers for the 5500 in 98se.

I'll set the cpu to 2.2Ghz and remove the pins for vcore, see what she does.
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« Last Edit: 29.10.13 at 16:54:31 by ultima »  

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Reply #63 - 29.10.13 at 20:32:53
 
I did some searching, and found this patch, for faster cpu systems with old IDE drives / win98se

Windows 98 Second Edition / Windows ME  IDE Hard Drive Cache Package

http://www.tacktech.com/display.cfm?ttid=90

after installing that, 3dmark99/2000 did run longer then before, but still failed at the 1st test. Sad

I checked the temp of the cpu, it was 45C max, so that can't be the problem either

Gonna do a " reset to factory default" on the bios tommorrow, see if that helps, and will try lower speed, ya never know
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Reply #64 - 30.10.13 at 19:49:17
 
just to try the easy way, I started up the rig and set the fsb from 266 to 200, making the cpu run 1800Mhz and it actually runs stable.

900Mhz 150Mhz fsb

3DMARK99MAX @ default settings = 7094 3DMarks / 18696 CPU Marks
3DMARK2000 @ Default settings =  5117 3DMarks

1800Mhz 100Mhz fsb

3DMark99MAX @ default settings gave 7343 3DMarks / 28787 cpu marks
3DMark2000 @ default settings gave  5738 3DMarks

so quite an improvement coming from 900Mhz Smiley altho the increase is bigger in 3DMark2000, but that is probably because cpu and gpu are counted together.

now ofcourse the question is, won't it run 2.4Ghz on 1.7V on this board, or is the total Ghz just too much for 98SE to handle?
more coming soon Smiley
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Reply #65 - 02.11.13 at 11:55:09
 
I took a look at the pinmods needed to get this stable, seems the easiest is to set the vcore to 1.75V, that is still well within the safe range of overvolting, just a little over 5%, so....

on the other hand, it is just as much work to set the speed to 2300Mhz as it is to set the vcore higher, I'll try 2300Mhz 1st I think.

Not saying I'll keep it at that, just to find out if it can run that, and win98se, stable. probably will set it back to 2.2Ghz @ 1.65V after that.
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Reply #66 - 02.11.13 at 12:36:29
 
Are you sure the MB has the correct dividers for the RAM? What speeds is the RAM working on when 200 and 266 FSB is selected? I would also try (just to be sure it's not the RAM), to make it work on 3-3-3-2T and try to test again. Also check the voltage of the RAM.
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Reply #67 - 02.11.13 at 13:15:30
 
ram is running in sync with fsb, and it is 512MB stick of PC3200, I took out the 4 x 512MB PC2100.

the timing for PC3200 speed is rated for 2-3-2-5 1T, so it should be able to match that easily at PC2100 speeds.
I have a feeling the cpu was the problem at that speed, so will try that 1st....is just connecting 2 more pins, so easily done.

EDIT:

I did the pintrick for 1.725V vcore, see if she'd run that, for some reason that resulted in still 1.7V only @ 2.26Ghz, so.....I booted, no problem, results are here:

900Mhz 150Mhz fsb

3DMARK99MAX @ default settings = 7094 3DMarks / 18696 CPU Marks
3DMARK2000 @ Default settings =  5117 3DMarks

1800Mhz 100Mhz fsb

3DMark99MAX @ default settings gave 7343 3DMarks / 28787 cpu marks
3DMark2000 @ default settings gave  5738 3DMarks

2260Mhz 133Mhz fsb

3DMark99MAX @ default settings gave 7418 3DMarks / 35510 cpu marks
3DMark2000 @ default settings gave  5996 3DMarks
3DMark2001SE @ default settings gave  3064 3DMarks


So WOW on the increase in cpu score in 3DMark99, appears that fsb plays a major role here. Smiley

I think I'll mod the other cpu exactly the same and see how far I can take the fsb, I had it stable at 150Mhz, so that would be another (150-133) x 17 = 289Mhz, resulting in 2.5Ghz max, or somewhere between that and 2.26Ghz

EDIT2

I've been looking through the bios and I can set the vcore manually, so no need to do pinmod for that. I will set the bios to 1.725V and take the cpu out and remove the stuff.
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Reply #68 - 03.11.13 at 11:57:33
 
just to take it slow, I upped the fsb to 140Mhz, still 1.7V and total speed 2.38Ghz.
that means the PCI bus is also running faster, should be a 1/2 divider I think for the 66Mhz slots, so will now run 70Mhz instead of 66Mhz.

scores as follows:

2380Mhz 140Mhz fsb

3DMark99MAX @ default settings gave 7450 3DMarks / 38413 cpu marks
3DMark2000 @ default settings gave 6034 3DMarks
3DMark2001SE @ default settings gave 3109 3DMarks
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Re: Going retro gaming with 3DFX
Reply #69 - 05.11.13 at 06:42:56
 
Is there any 3dmark version that will make use of the 2nd  XP-M3000+ and can still run on a voodoo5 card??

I know I'll have to run that on either win2k or xp, but still....
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