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Reply #15 - 06.01.04 at 12:13:51
 
don't want to quote the whole stuff, here are my answers:

@ Boiu_Andrei:
of course win98se starts/boots and works with 512mb ram, but it doesn't makes use of more than 384mb. only applications do so.

1. same thing in win98se (on my pc), ram manage is even worse
2. you're wrong, this option is avaible
3. many, but not all (at least less as under win 2k/xp)
4. i get even better time in win2k/xp than in win98se in those cases
5. i still need my pc as a workstation

@ Blazkowicz:
you got a windows console (actuallly better than dos for simple commands) and you got the recovery console with which you can even boot the whole windows application (also from cd). you can start windowsnt in normal or in console mode. get tools from microsoft and 3rd parties to do that --> that means you're wrong, you can boot in console mode.

and who the hell still runs dos??
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Reply #16 - 08.01.04 at 08:31:40
 
Quote:
don't want to quote the whole stuff, here are my answers:

of course win98se starts/boots and works with 512mb ram, but it doesn't makes use of more than 384mb. only applications do so.

1. same thing in win98se (on my pc), ram manage is even worse
2. you're wrong, this option is avaible
3. many, but not all (at least less as under win 2k/xp)
4. i get even better time in win2k/xp than in win98se in those cases
5. i still need my pc as a workstation

@ Blazkowicz:
you got a windows console (actuallly better than dos for simple commands) and you got the recovery console with which you can even boot the whole windows application (also from cd). you can start windowsnt in normal or in console mode. get tools from microsoft and 3rd parties to do that --> that means you're wrong, you can boot in console mode.

and who the hell still runs dos??


Doesn't make use means it doesn't occupy that much ram... How sad for Win98, it is not so big as XP, which nicely fits at start-up your 150Mb swap and your 128Mb Ram... Win98 fells enough for start-up 64Mb of RAM and no swap file usage... 3D Design apps are well suited for the OS where you have as much ram as possible free.

If you get better times, that might be the drivers. Do a "SGI software-GL render" test in QuakeGL game, and you get the same, if not 1% faster in Win98SE. This is a pure CPU test, the CPU is doing everything you see on the screen, and it shows that actuall WIN XP is NOT faster at all as oposed to WIN 98.

"get tools from microsoft and 3rd parties to do that --> that means you're wrong, you can boot in console mode."

Why is that needed? XP is so suposedly safe? Shouldn't be those 10Mb complete apps on the distribution CD? No, you have un-wreck the system by doing a clean install, and take 6h to configure the system a bit more as needed... Also, XP doesn't ask what you want to be installed. How nice-- 1Gig of space runs out quickly...
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Reply #17 - 08.01.04 at 11:36:40
 
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win2k is *A BIT* slower than winXP, YES IT IS!.
And when it comes to voodoo drivers... amiga 3.0 + winxp sounds much better than win2k + original.


that's what i mean!  Cheesy

@ Boiu_Andrei:
please stick with win98se if you want to, i personally decided to do not.
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« Last Edit: 08.01.04 at 11:38:23 by Micha »  

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Reply #18 - 08.01.04 at 15:05:42
 
Hm, for all I can tell (my Win98SE works with 512MB RAM), it does work fine, and uses all of the 512MB.

With some tricks you can get upto 768MB working, but it  means alot of hassle and restrictions, and is rather "experimental".

Looking at my Win2000 installation, I like it much more than WinXP (it's simply more trustworthy, not as much restrictions and spyware), for as long as you don't move to SP3 or higher (those apparently contain alot of XP-like "features" Tongue )

From the pure Memory footprint, Win98SE of course beats 'em all by a solid margin, and it still works perfectly fine for me for Gaming.
Since at the same time it acts as a 24/7 server for 23 other machines here, I'd say it's still a quite useful OS to have.

I think the 512MB limit and eventually Driver + DirectX support (same that happened to Win95) will one day mark the EOL (end of life) for Win98/98SE, but that day luckily hasn't come yet.
(I do remember ATI's initial announcement, though, where they originally planned not to supply Win98 Drivers for their Radeon series anymore. Thank god they eventually reconsidered after the Users voiced their outrage about that Idea. )
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Reply #19 - 08.01.04 at 22:22:59
 
According to the dox the stability problems with Win98 when more than 512MB are used can be solved with CACHEMAN from outertech.com . Well, i only have 128MB (more can't be cached because VP3 limits) and can't verify how it works.

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Reply #20 - 15.01.04 at 11:15:14
 
One thing I would probably have to choose Win98 for is my old 3dfxGlide/Direct3D games I still want to play!  Sad
Seeing as there is no "Compatability" function in Win2000, like their is with WinXP, most old Win95/98 games won't run in 2000.  Cry
Therefore my only options are:

- To run a dual boot system consisting of Win98 and Win2000.

- Find a tool for Win2000 that will emulate the compatibility function to enable me to run my old Win95/98 games on 2000.

- Or just use one OS, Windows XP.

What do people suggest??  ???
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Reply #21 - 15.01.04 at 14:01:51
 
janskjaer, run dual boot.

well, installing 512mb on winme, which should have better support than win98se, told me it ran even slower than only installing 384mb..that's it! maybe somebody else did not get this problem, who knows..?
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Reply #22 - 16.01.04 at 09:27:14
 
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According to the dox the stability problems with Win98 when more than 512MB are used can be solved with CACHEMAN from outertech.com . Well, i only have 128MB (more can't be cached because VP3 limits) and can't verify how it works.

Regards,
Andreas



That situation can be related to VCACHE. Although you don't need at all Cacheman to solve this potential problem. Just the notepad...
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Reply #23 - 16.01.04 at 17:06:52
 
Microsoft themselves say that Windows 98 and Windows ME can use up to 1GB of RAM.  Anything over 512MB needs a couple of lines added the the sys.ini-

[vcache]
MaxFileCache=*****

where ***** is the number of Kb you want to limit the disk cache to.  But I suppose using a text editor to modify a file might be a bit beyond some users...  Tongue

In all seriousness I multi-boot four Microsoft operating systems here-

...

I use Windows 98lite for nearly everything since it's small, fast and very stable.  Most importantly it boasts the most compatibility with the games I play and the hardware I use.  I boot DOS 6.22 more often than I boot Window XP.

XP's a perfectly good operating system.  It's a bit large and slow (I have a P4 2.4 with 512MB 800FSB and 80GB WD ATA100) but that's comparatively speaking.  It's "horses for courses" or perhaps "better the devil you know", eh?
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Reply #24 - 16.01.04 at 17:42:56
 
Hi procerus,
i used 98lite too for some time but therere were too many problems with it. At least with the german version of win98se that i use. Maybe you don't have that problems with the uk windows version. I always used the clean install option of 98lite to install a fresh windows. After installation the f****** welcome screen appeared every boot altough i clicked on don't run at windows start. The 'showdesktop' icon in the quicklaunchbar is missing. And when clean installed with win95b explorer and no ie many microsoft installer based setup's won't work.

Altough i use Mozilla Firebird i can't recommed deinstalling ie. It's not just the msi problem but there are many other programs that rely on ie. RealplayerGoldV2 is such an example. By the way, rpg is a big spyware. You have to deactivate tons of options to prevent rpg from contacting real.com and that messagecenter popups (ads). Also rpg asks you to register everytime you start the player. There is no option to prevent this. But this applies to Quicktime 6.4 too. Of cause i never register such crap. Normally i wouldn't install it but many Music-Websites rely on these programs...

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Reply #25 - 16.01.04 at 21:42:56
 
Andreas.  I disable the Startup screen with Microsoft's TweakUI although you can always edit msdos.sys to the same effect.  The Quicklaunch Toolbar and many other features (especially those relating to the truly awful "Active Desktop") won't work if you do a "Sleek" install since this uses the Windows 95 Windows Explorer shell.

Personally I prefer the original Explorer shell since the later ones were larger and a lot less stable.  And, since I was on the beta for Windows 95, I am just extremely familiar with and fond of the original way things worked!  Grin

I have found a couple of programs that wouldn't install.  The solution is to use a hex editor to do a find and replace on the installer's executable.  Windows 98lite backs up the original version of "shell32.dll" as "shell32.w98".  So just find any mention of the former in the installer and substitute the latter for it.  Then the installer will work normally.  It sounds a lot of trouble but it takes only seconds and, as I say, I've only had to do it twice so far here.

This for me is a small price to pay for an OS that has all the compatibility of Windows 98SE (I have and use USB 2 support for example) with the speed and stability of Windows 95 plus the ability to boot to a perfectly good version of full-on DOS when one needs to!  Cheesy

I should also point out that I use Microsoft's Internet Explorer 6.  Although I never liked the attempt to integrate the desktop and the Internet I do quite like IE.  So long as it's kept quite separate from my operating system and I can run it only when I need to.  The only drawback to using IE6 with 98lite Sleek is that you have to disable loadwc.exe and, if you do so, then you don't get prompted if you want to disconnect when you close IE.  But I never like having programs running all the time for such trivial reasons anyway.

In case anyone thinks I work for Shane Brooks (98lite's author) or something I should say that XPlite has been a dissappointment to me so far.  It does too little and can't seem to make a decent ballerina of the hippopotamus that is Window XP.  Wink
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Reply #26 - 16.01.04 at 23:11:28
 
Win98lite? Is this just a cut-down version of 98se??

Is it available as an option to install from on the 98se cd?

What things does it cut out? What differs it from the 98se full install?
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Reply #27 - 17.01.04 at 16:47:45
 
Hi Procerus,
i used 98lite primary for saving memory (i had less than now at the time i used it). When i stumbled around the fix for the MSI installers earlier i would have installed my windows with 98lite again. I can't say anything about the differences in the 95/98 explorers as i use commander clones since my nearly forgotton dos times Wink

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Reply #29 - 17.01.04 at 22:46:23
 
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