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wich is better 98 or me ?
19.02.03 at 08:37:57
 
i am looking at a new 1.8 xp system,with a MSI.K400 vl or ultra mainboard.due to lack of $$ i am going to use my voodoo 3 2000 card and diamond monster 300 sound card and old windows. should i load win98 or ME ?I HAVE ACCESS TO BOTH. Can you load xp on a second computer with only one disc ?i heard you can download copies of xp  is this true & do they work ok?  8) any coments on useing via based boards with windows 98 or me?
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Re: wich is better 98 or me ?
Reply #1 - 19.02.03 at 15:43:27
 
Well, I would prefer Win98 over WinME, simply because of the full access to MS-DOS alone.

As well, I haven't really heard anything good about WinME, most people who had it really did not recommend it.
(Personally, I used to call it a Windows "for Women and Children", colourful but nothing spectacular or useful *g* )

My Opinion about WinXP :
I would not install this big Spyware Package on any of my PC's, even if MicroSoft paid me 1000$ for it Tongue

Lots of restrictions, that make the User a mere controlled and transparent Client, Spyware all over the place, very resource wasting, and basically nothing in there that one 'must have'.

A good Firewall running on WinXP will basically rather protect against the OS sending Data out (compromising), than against attacks from outside.
It is a highly unsecure OS, and it was designed for that 'feature', which makes it even worse by principle Lips Sealed

If your Voodoo3 is an AGP, it will not work in a KT400 based Motherboard. Most boards have protective functions against powering up with a 3.3V AGP card in their 1.5V AGP Slot. If they don't, the Voodoo3 AGP can destroy the Motherboard.

Since the KT400 really isn't a too good of a chipset, the latest KT333a Boards usually are on par with Performance.
(An improved KT400a is in the making right now, re-confirming that one should never buy a VIA Chipset when it is new, always wait for the KTxxx-a Version Wink )
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Reply #2 - 19.02.03 at 18:54:08
 
Yeah, ME is trash. Use 98, preferably 98SE.

XP, with a few hacks (no product activation! yay!), and a bunch of things turned off, is a great OS. Crashes a LOT less than 98. If you have a fast PC, 800MHz w/ 256MB RAM or better, WinXP is faster than Win98. Oh, and Pro is best.

If you want more info on, erm, patching XP, drop me a PM.
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Reply #3 - 20.02.03 at 04:39:07
 
thanks for your input on this guys , AND GALS .now its between 98se & me. can you elaborate on the dos thing? would useing 98 limit the soft ware or drivers available down the road any more than ME since its older ?i thought the kt400 would be a better choise than the 333 because of the usb2 & agp8x .how long would i have to wait for a kt400a? would it just be a bios update or a hardware upgrade my voodoo3 is  a PCI card. 8)how about a msi K7N2-L -NF2 ? COULD I USE MY VOODOO3 PCI?
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Reply #4 - 20.02.03 at 04:58:15
 
keep away from xp if you run a voodoo 5 drivers have bad compatibility , i swapped back to ME after playing around with voodoo 3`s and 5`s on xp  . drivers have better compliance on 98IG88 . but glide and gl is extremely quick on XP ( unreal tournament!!!)
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Reply #5 - 20.02.03 at 18:11:29
 
All drivers that work on ME are also suitable for Windows 98.  Personally I would avoid ME but then I boot to full DOS mode all the time.  If you don't know what that is then I wouldn't worry too much and ME will be fine.
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Reply #6 - 21.02.03 at 00:31:43
 
Personally, if you can get your hands on Windows 2000 I'd suggest that. More stable then both XP and Win 9X. I game with it all the time and I've only ran into two older games that don't run on it that run on XP (built on 2k core, which makes no sence), and those two games are Need for speed high stakes and Rogue squadron. Other wise any new games, it runs sweet and that's with using both a V3 and a Voodoo 5.
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Reply #7 - 21.02.03 at 19:25:40
 
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keep away from xp if you run a voodoo 5 drivers have bad compatibility , i swapped back to ME after playing around with voodoo 3`s and 5`s on xp  . drivers have better compliance on 98* . but glide and gl is extremely quick on XP ( unreal tournament!!!)


Odd... I'm running XP with a Voodoo 5. Using AmigaMerlin 2.5SE drivers, with Koolsmoky's latest Glide DLLs, and WickedGL, I have had no problems with anything I've tried... Unreal Tourney, Jedi Outcast, PSX emulation w/ Lewpy's Glide plugin, and N64 emulation with Glide64. It all runs perfect and looks great.

'Course, that's not too many games...

I did, however, notice that the Add/Remove programs box sometimes gets graphical corruption, but that's the only thing that does it.(
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Reply #8 - 22.02.03 at 07:15:37
 
Well games like max pain , deltaforce land warrior , older games like  blood and even new iron storm demo have big problems  , even using dreamweaver with black background you cant see the cursor . I`m no expert but i think direct 3d is useless with a V5500 on Xp , overlays and i think SLI is out of wack with some direct 3D engines  . Glide game do work well and most gl Games do . These problems disapeared with Me using the latest Amigamerlin drivers . Basically XP drivers need more work , until than i`m sticking to all around funtionality , and full direct x 8.1 compliance .

that said the voodoo 3 runs extremely well game wise on xp , shame it didn`t have more ram . Xp is greedy on
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Reply #9 - 23.02.03 at 19:34:36
 
Death, I agree with you 99%, being based on NT isn't that big of a deal though, Windows 2000 is based off of NT and XP is based off Windows 2000 more then NT. Windows 2K is WAY more stable then XP. I game with it all the time and other then Need for Speed High Stakes and Star wars game, Rogue Sqaudron, I haven't had any games not work for 2K. My big complaint about XP is that it's BUGGY. I work on the 650 PC's my company has and about 60 of them are laptops that came with XP in the last year. Even with SP1 installed on these things, we end up reGhosting them about every 3-4 months because of problems with either hardware or software. XP is a pain in the ass not to mention the lack of services that they took out on the home edition compaired to pro, like no duel monitor support, no duel processor support, lack of security. They should of just stuck with XP pro, lowered the price to 150, have ONE OS and called it good (not to mention waiting another year to work out all the damn bugs in it).
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Reply #10 - 24.02.03 at 01:46:40
 
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anyway, here are the reasons why i don't like win xp:

i have a via apolo pro motherboard and i had to install the 4in1 to make xp work faster.
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i have a conexant 56k modem and i had to install a driver to make it function.
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i have a voodoo 5 5500 and u know the rest.
OK, I agree it isn't the best situation...
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i have a monitor that is not well supported in xp and keeps shuting down with no reason.
Now THAT is a bad problem
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i am having problems with my sound card defualt drivers in xp (creative vibra 128 ) so i had to install new drivers.
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xp keeps locking, freezing, shuting down with no reason.
...Sounds like you have serious problems
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having problems with my hard disk when cash-writing is on (seagate 20gb 7200rpm).
Big problem, there.
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some games don't work at all or have bugs.
Yah, agreed, but it's much better than Win2K.
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very annoying driver installation method (the device manager making me mad).
Odd, that's one of the tings I like best about Windows/ Tongue
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100% lack of support to any hardware before 2001
Hell yeah. But we have to move forward some time. If you have old hardware, XP is most likely not for you.
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takes too much ram for the services running in background and even when turned off still grabs a lot of ram.
That's probably my biggest gripe.
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very depended on updating from microsoft.
What version of Windows isn't?
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stupid troublshooter.
It plain sucks, you mean.
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ilogical error reporting system that shows critical errors on hardware or software that has nothing to do with the error itself.
*shudders* All the Mac had was numbers, but at least they meant something definate. I got an error once trying to browse an FTP site with Internet Explorer, "ERROR: A system call that should never fail has failed." Tongue
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takes 1.2 gb space.
A little optimization can get that down to about 750MB
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an automatic operation systems that basicly locks manuel control over it and makes your life difficult.
Yeah... they hide all the good tools. But don't worry, they are there, they're just buried. Deeply.
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TOTAL LACK OF NETWORK DEFENSE SYSTEM although it was built for this purpose.
Screw the memory thing. THAT is my biggest gripe.
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and the most annoying is the usage of NT based system.

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Reply #11 - 03.09.03 at 06:45:23
 
Here's the situation with Windows Millenium -- it was unfinished, they pushed out the door wayyy too soon.

The OS never got completed, Microsoft flat out admitted it to everyone attending the Windows XP launch. Bill Gates changed policy and let them speak freely about it and they pointed out several things to back them up. They admitted windows ME was a mistake.

Ever notice how a few things seem kinda -- oh -- I don't know -- broken?

Stick with Windows 98 Second Edition unless you can get your hands on XP (and your system is beefed up enough to handle it).


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Reply #12 - 05.09.03 at 08:19:40
 
Hi Folks,

I am one who is sure happy to hear the most of you don't like Windows XP.  The last guy said they pushed ME out of the door to soon, it still had some bugs????Have you counted the number of Critical downloads there were is SP1 for XP and we are almost reaching the top on SP2.  What Microsoft should do is, for the same money, sell each person Windows XP either Home or Pro and a free hard drive to accomodate all of the Critical downloads, suggested downloads, etc. etc. I had 98SE on this computer when I bought it.  I think it was a great system.  It doesn't have as many bells and whistles as XP, but I just finished getting my computer up and operating after the fifth (5) crash since I have been using XP. That's about a year, maybe less.  The problem with XP is that it is designed for more than I person to use the same computer or network.  I am the only person using my computer and I'm not on a network.  So, this this so and so tells me I can't delete, move, rename a file because someone else is using it????I start thinking there's a little microsoft person inside of my computer, who is trying his best to drive me crazier than I already am.  It seems to me, the four eyed Billionare should have made some kind of changes to allow ONE person to use XP and not be strapped down with all of the crazy restrictions.  "It" told me the other day to put my Windows XP CD in the "A" and and fine file,,,,,,,,,,,,now either the computer is getting nutty or I am...... I had a hard time getting that CD in there.  Then it didn't work!!!!!I hope no one believes I tried that.
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Reply #13 - 05.09.03 at 11:37:13
 
Right blues.
Windows 98SE was one of the best systems since Chicago (Beta Windows 95). Performance is still scalable on a 2000+ Mhz processor (AMD or Intel), and the performance is very good.

What it lacks: tons of colors, sweeties as Win XP, advertising.
Windows 98 SE is good with 64Mb Ram. More than that it works well also.

The only reasons to have XP:
you are bored of the same good thing
you have too much money
you are eager for tons of colorful buttons
you buy things by their advertising
you need server or multi-user services
you think that every 2 years it's impossible to remain with the same computer/Windows
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Reply #14 - 05.09.03 at 19:22:06
 
dahbluesman: Another thing you forgot -- XP did get finished and was not broken-ware, Millennium was.

WinME is a broken OS, XP isn't. And plus I am glad XP is getting service packs (like it's predecessors), would you want to run an OS that needs some updating from time to time and was buggy as heck because there weren't any updates?

A new hard drive for all customers for their critical downloads -- ok dude -- put down your crack pipe for a second -- if you are running XP on your 1Gb drive from 1996 you're going to have a problem. A few months ago I bought an 80Gb drive w/ 8MB cache (Western Digital) and it was only $100 - cheap!

If you haven't got the money for the gas, why buy the car, eh? this stuff isn't that expensive, plus (keep crack pipe down for one more minute) if you are worried about space, that is why we have these wonderful things called, say it with me now, "Ceee Deee Burhhhhnnn Urrs".

Just plop your critical updates to a CD and delete them from the hard drive. Not like they take much space at all anyway.

As far as crashes go, haven't had a one in XP yet on both of my machines, nor either of my parents 2 machines, nor my brothers systems.... stop hitting your head into the screen and well avoid the crashes altogether. Win9X crashed a he** of a lot more than any NT operating system.

A Microsoft person in your system, insert the CD into the "A"  -- ehh -- maybe smoking pot before posting on a forum may not be the best idea, Because none of this makes sense or is based in reality, honestly.

Four-eyed billionaire -- well he must be doing something right because his cash flow is still coming in, and god bless'em for it!

Boiu_Andrei: I don't take it them you are running Linux? Plus advertising in XP -- where I don't see any ads -- care to point his out -- exactly where they are located?

Oh and Win9x -- yeah runs great, except is you decide you want to have any *new* hardware run decently.

Impossible to run the same system with the same version of windows, I take you mean system uptime? Well I have been running XP from the first day it was available on the market, and I haven't had to re-load it on either system yet.

But hey, whatever -- none of what either of you two makes sense, just senseless Microsoft bashing.


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