I've finally lost my patience with nVidia, and the dirty info I get on them on a regular basis!

They pull this stunt!
http://www.bluesnews.com/cgi-bin/articles.pl?show=62

And in the end, they did their best to make sure they retained all of 3dfx's intellectual property.

From day one, nVidia was always jealous of 3dfx and had it in for them, all the way till the end!
This article proves nVidiots were hypocrits! Bah!  

I have a friend who's partner worked on the shutdown team @ 3dfx.

She has been telling me about all the nasty little actions that nVidia got up to while the 3dfx take over was in process, as she was there while it was happening.  And yes, there never was any intention of keeping on x-3dfx staff at nVidia, and helping x-3dfx customers out with driver support, it's true, it was all about claiming 3dfx's knowledge and 'know how' of the market, and making sure they one more competitior out of the way!  

ex-3dfx, not x-3dfx...there's a big difference.

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Yes, I will finally admit that ATI cards do have a more powerful and performance edge over nVidia cards! It's true.  That is why they are so more popular with gamers!

You know what they say, "What goes around, comes around".  Maybe nVidia have dug their own grave here, let's hope so, after what they did to 3dfx.

Now, I just have to tear this GeForce2 Pro out of my machine with pure rage! 

What we need is someone who has had vast amounts of experience with the latest of both ATI's and nVidia's cards and to tell us their opinion on which series is better overall? FX or Radeon? In terms of performance and technology, of course.

I knew that nVidia had the PCX series ready to deploy, but I didn't know ATI had hit back with anything in terms of the new PCIExpress technology.
Anyone got any URL's for ATI's new 'masterpieces in the making'? 

I wouldn't say I hate Nvidia nor would I say I love 3dfx or ATI.  These are big corporations that are out to make cash out of people like us, especially those of us who are easily conned by flash names and big numbers.

Nvidia are simply going through a phase, they'll either pull through this, likely, or go under like 3dfx did, unlikely.  In a years time people may be saying exactly the same about ATI as they're saying about Nvidia now.  ATI are currently leading the market, no doubt.  Nvidia, due to it's aggressive corporate tactics and it's over reliance on ressurecting old tech and relabelling it 'MX', are starting to falter and struggle.  Most of their up and coming releases are just hype, as ever. The FX range wasn't what it was hyped up to be.

Since Nvidia's aquisition of 3dfx tech there has been a downward trend.  When the early Geforce cards were released Nvidia looked set to dominate, with 3dfx faltering and releasing stopgap cards, and ATI were, well, ATI, just like Matrox were Matrox and S3 were S3.  It looks to me as if the all too familiar 3dfx "practices" have seeped into the Nvidia Corp.

You know.. the only reason why all of 'us' (3dfx'ers) hate nvidia so much is because they killed 3dfx, very simple..

3dfx faded away, we all naturally developed hatered feelings towards nvidia, and the only company in position to kick nvidia's ass is ATi, so we all feel "on ati's side"
I'm not saying that it's the right/wrong side, i'm just saying that instead of constantly bashing down on how bad geforce cards are, you can look at how good they are (half empty/full glass).

3Dfx cards weren't anything close to perfect, either.

Take a look at Valve's system spec survey, all 4 top GFX cards are nvidia's.. and there's a good reason for that.
they offer the most performance per buck, and for the avarage joe - there's no need for all the flufffy 8xantialiasing and 16xanisofiltering and 30gb bandwidth.. the cards JUST WORK, and most people don't need more than that. (id'e trade my whole 3dfx collection for a radeon 8500, without thinkin twice)

Both nvidia and ati are there to make money, period.
ati just got lucky that when the whole 3dfx downfall occured, they were on the safe side.


Anyway, that's just my opinion, i don't love nvidia or ati, i just love radeon cards (and can't afford them).

As they say - look at the inside of the vase, not on the 'made in china' sticker. ()

Nvidia will never go away. True, I don't much care for some of their business practices, but it's how corporations survive in a capitalist economy. Nice guys finish last, it's the facts of life.

Some have suggested that Nvidia will meet the same fate as 3dfx. I don't see any correlation between the two. You are looking solely at their "high end" cards, and what they do with the "latest" technology. You also need to look at a few other things. Nvidia has a huge OEM sales base, mostly with the GF2/4 MX. 3dfx had what, a few V3 1ks? And most of ATIs OEM stuff is the Rage, which even the horrid MX-series still beats. Nvidia is falling somewhat behind in developing PCI-Express technology. And that matters because???? PCI-Express is still about as useful as 64-bit, if not less, because at least the 64-bit athlons have better speed. PCI-Express is still now widely available, and I don't see that it will be right off quick. Also, the bus speed is not the major drawback of modern video cards, if you don't believe me on that, do some benchmarks with AGP 4x vs. 8x. And finally, IMOHO, I think Ms would come to Nvidia's backs to save them in a crunch.

EDIT: Also, that article is very old news, the lawsuit is often said to be the last straw that sent 3dfx down the tubes.

guys, anyone followed my link? anyone read in this other thread why nividia was failing in shader2.0 speed? anyway, nvidia is coming back, you'll see when you follow the link..but ati is there to strike back, for sure. so i don't see nvidia falling now, nor ati. & as patience said, there are other competitors to arrive, so let's see what xgi will deliver in shader3.0 speed (what's up w/ s3? released their stuff yet?)