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Re: Meet ATi's R600!!!
Reply #60 - 30.01.07 at 17:56:44
 
You are being dense again.

I paid for a product and support and ATI isn't providing what I paid for.

Only one huh?

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=problem+with+ATI+driver
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Re: Meet ATi's R600!!!
Reply #61 - 30.01.07 at 18:01:22
 
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dense sorry can't agree there.

well why do the people I know have no problems with them now and why is everything aimed at me?

Since you have troubles with it don't chuck at me mate.

ATi cards are my choice and maybe not yours, use NV stuff and stop complaining.

this problem has occured in the ATi topic too, we tried to explain to them bt they just didn't listen and went their way , well that's too bad, they are just feeling sorry for them selves just because they can't get their ATi card working propperly, teh n00bs

Anyways I sense a flame war comming about this though not gonna join it since it's pointless to discuss.

My cards are from ASUS and Sapphire they have very good reputations with warranty services, they are things I research before I buy Wink
Like XFX, ASUS, Gainward and Leadtek are fro GeForce Cards.

a problem in Doom3 lol that's like getting the old cows out of a creek mate, if you look up old storries I'm quite sure there are tons of NV problems too, stay relistic please , sigh.
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seems like you are being Pro NV more than ANti ATi right Wink

And really I won't go in to this, it frikk'n pointless
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Re: Meet ATi's R600!!!
Reply #62 - 30.01.07 at 18:09:02
 
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well why do the people I know have no problems with them now and why is everything aimed at me?


Because you are the one insiting I have a singular problem.

You forget I have both a direct from ATI 9800pro and a X850, a graphics zealot I'm not.

My recent purchase of a 6600GT was made because the board actually works under the "supported" operating systems listed unlike the 9800pro.
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Re: Meet ATi's R600!!!
Reply #63 - 30.01.07 at 18:17:29
 
neither am I a zealot , really I never heard of that wierd word Lips Sealed and yeaps I'm like 9 hours a day online, so kinda obvious I'm the only of few posting.

But uhm have you given that Omega 6.03 + radlinker a shot yet?

please do it really works best woth 9800 & X8.xx series cards, my advice Gary.

Anyways You have good experiences with NV okay, no probs with that, I have good experiences with ATi, uhm any probs with tha?

Please remember that everyone has thier own choice on what they are using okay.


the 9800 Pro works fine under 2K + XP Pro, it's not a Voodoo card please remmeber that Wink under 98SE it should work, but since that OS is so out dated and in most cases unstable and packedwith BSOD's it's not adviced to be used as for the 6600GT it also is well supported under 2K & XP and later OSes.

I have had the 9800 Pro like 9700 Pro an the 6800GT the 6600GT's bigger brother and to be honest the support under the OSes 2K ands XP were perfect on those 9700 and 9800 Pro cards as the 6800GT went better under XP than 2K.

The Omega Drivers for the ATi's rocked and they still do today, they simply outclass the ATi ones and NV drivers for thier cards. there are Omega drivers for NV cards as well, only it's not being supported since Omega didn't get the license to carry on with NV drivers which is a great shame, even they were better than the official NV drivers.

but anyways I'd say give that Omega 6.03 a shot, @ least try it in your words then Smiley

I don't want to be an enemy of no one here just have different tastes for Main VGA cards aka ATi cards.
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Re: Meet ATi's R600!!!
Reply #64 - 30.01.07 at 18:26:06
 
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neither am I a zealot , really I never heard of that wierd word


Zealot = fanboy with no room with different point of view.


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Reply #65 - 30.01.07 at 18:31:00
 
I am no fanboy ...  come on, just telling you that ATi drivers are good, and really if they were that bad like you told me I would of got something else and heh that my experience with NV cards + drivers is a very bad one like yours is with ATi cards and thier drivers the only one being a fanboy would certainly be you.

People that call lads fanboys must ask that themselves first, since they are the ones that are teh fanboys which sounds like typical nVidiot behaviour lalala.
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Re: Meet ATi's R600!!!
Reply #66 - 30.01.07 at 18:36:42
 
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I am no fanboy


Perhaps you should review the contents of this thread, it speaks for itself.
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Reply #67 - 30.01.07 at 18:37:30
 
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ATI's drivers always were a PITA.



you were saying, sorry mate but that sounds pretty Pro NV to me don't you think?

I am no way a fanboy hahaha don't make me laugh, my dad's PC has my good ole Leadtek GeForce 6800 he has  a nice Sempron64 2800+ I have installed the latest NV driver on it, put the settings to classic style.

ran 3D mark 2001SE and it crashed!!! argghh why this?? ran some ther driovers even 84.21 WHQL and it kept on crashing, hmm not that relianble I thought, I put in the ATi 9550 AGP and all troubles were gone installed that with ATi cat 6.12WHQL and 3D mark ran perfectly.

so stopping bugging me with that I'm a bloody FanBoy because it ain't like that it's just of bad experience with NV cards that I use ATi it's the best alternative I have found besides 3dfx ofcourse.

stop attacking people that use ATi cards and by that calling them fanboy's such a ghey like behaviour and not accepted by most lads.
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Reply #68 - 30.01.07 at 18:43:13
 
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Re: Meet ATi's R600!!!
Reply #69 - 30.01.07 at 20:10:55
 
Sorry, but I see no reason to cancel this discussion that way.

Opinions are there to be shared and naturally differ. No reason to lock anything.

Everyone knows Obi likes ATI (so do I), and everyone knows that many others do not. Nothing to get exited about IMHO, that's plain normal (?)

The only thing some may throw at others might be a bit of fanboy-ism, but that's not a crime (remember most of us were that way with 3dfx, many still are, so why not with ATI or NVidia ? ) Wink
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Reply #70 - 30.01.07 at 20:35:23
 
Exactly! Smiley

3dfx is still our main priority and it always will live on deep in our hearts.

We all have our different ways.
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Reply #71 - 31.01.07 at 01:20:18
 
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Sorry, but I see no reason to cancel this discussion that way.

Opinions are there to be shared and naturally differ. No reason to lock anything.



I have no problem having a discussion with people who have different points of views but when they are just not being reasonable with provided examples and facts I see no point in continuing.

To have over 300 3dfx boards and to imply I'm sort of a nvdiot is about as rediculous as it gets.

I paid for a product (9800pro) from ATI and it simply DOES NOT work with my chosen OS as ATI stated it would at the time of purchase. Their suggestion to "upgrade my OS" is not going to happen as I run some applications THAT ONLY run on W98.

Hell I have a few that will only function under Win95, even Win98 won't work.

To be bashed after popping out $250 for product and support and not getting what was advertised is beyond the pale. To further suggest trying 3rd party drivers for support I paid for is further insulting.

The 9800 line simply isn't suitable for Win98, the Geforce 6 and some 7 series cards *are* which is why my daily use box sports a 6600GT. It works without crashes, control panels taking 10-20 seconds to open or net framework drivers from MS.

If paying for a device and expecting it to work without hours of troubleshooting is unreasonable then call me a nvidot.
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Reply #72 - 31.01.07 at 01:47:10
 
Gary please don't take things that seriously Undecided

Okay that I called you an nvidiot was because the way i read your posts, they read very negative in my mind as my friend who sat beside me.

Here in the The Netherlands we have had multiple threats like that in the ATi, Nvidia, XGI, S3, Matrox as 3dfx threads and it came very well accross to your way of posting, but no offense there it's just the way I read them, do remember this is a multi language place things that others read you read or I read may come accross alot differently.

And yes I agree the support under 98SE is worse on ATi cards as nvidia ones very true there, but under 2000 Pro and up it jest get's alot better hereby means that you don't come up with pathetic posts like:
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ATI's drivers always were a PITA.



Sorry mate but that are things that ATi users and I personally don't accept especially from an Admin! You should accept that there are people that use ATi cards and that never have have the problems you do have, you should there by asking for help not spread silly quotes like that, which can get people's minds confused by giving them a negative point of view from your side.

And really I am willing to help whenever possible.

Some stupid ATi versus NV thing can easily put to humanoids in lot's of confusion and traumatic problems, which actually isn't needed imho.

And really I am not a ATi fanBoy, it's that I use them because I have my good reasons that they seem to work better for the apps I need them for and yes I will always like thier drivers better than the NV ones, but even that shouldn't be a crime, just a personal experience and also my opinion on that case.

Since I just recieved a very nice Leadtek GeForce4 Ti 4600 Ultra AGP 128MB from a good friend and that one will be a very nice card for my second retro system Wink so for advice for drivers I could ask you since your experience with NV cards is that good, right Wink

Anyways Sorry for the long post, and sorry for calling you a nVidiot, this whole post was something that I just had to let go of.

The best thing we all should do is avoid things like this and move on, there are much more important problems in the universe than what has happened here.
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Re: Meet ATi's R600!!!
Reply #73 - 31.01.07 at 04:29:27
 
@Gary

Odd, I had Win98SE and a Radeon9700pro (later 9800pro) at that time (before migrating to Win2000).

Never had any serious Driver issues, except those I created myself (moving between original ATI Drivers, Omega and back).

I even made original GLquake timedemo -demo1 benches with that conifg for fun, so technically, Win95 games ran just fine with the Radeon and its drivers at that time.

But using older-than-advertised Windows always needed some manual User tweaking at some point, all Card makers only "officiallly" supported Win9x until some point.
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Reply #74 - 31.01.07 at 12:05:15
 
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But using older-than-advertised Windows always needed some manual User tweaking at some point, all Card makers only "officiallly" supported Win9x until some point.


This was a clean install "by the numbers" with no applications and the current ATI drivers would bring the box down while opening the control panel.

Not much room for tweaking there.

Same box with Windows 2000, no problem.

Spent hours trying to work the problem, ATI response was to upgrade OS.
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