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Re: MicroSoft Vista - Good OS or Bad OS ?
Reply #15 - 29.07.09 at 12:55:14
 
I've done some more hardcore-testing, taking Vista all the way down to the roots.

- Disabled Autostart for all Services that are not required for starting the OS (still allowing it to start them when required, which ironically it failed on User Account managing, Sound Output and the Aero GUI)

It is now running with a mere 20 of its 127 (!) default Services.
16% leaves the OS with all normal functionality, that's quite a record.

The result :
Now stripped of all unneeded overhead, but also taken away the opportunity to steal as much RAM as it wants, the effect was quite... astounding.

Vista still takes (without any Prefetch Cache) a whopping 500MB+ RAM.
It is slow, oozingly slow, now being forced to run like WinXP or any other Windows.
Being apparently written in an unprecendented level of unoptimized garbage debug code, it depends on caching so many System functions, as operating it in the same manner as all other Operating Systems would basically be nothing less than a pain in the arse even on high-end Hardware.

Now feels alot safer but about as fast as a feature-packed, aged WinNT install on a 64MB RAM system running off a cheap 4GB IDE Drive (until used Apps are cached of course) Cheesy
Note : all while running off a 2.5GHz Quadcore with 4GB RAM and 250GB HD o.O .... and mind you, I haven't even loaded or worked any Programs yet! , this is just to get onto a naked Desktop and navigate basic OS functions *omg*

This is what the developers apparently urgently needed to hide, cost it what it takes - in this case Resources. LOTS of Resources.
Vista basically runs to a large extend from a Cached RAM-Disk in order to fake the feel of a performant OS.
Truth is, however, exactly the opposite. A cheap, resource-intensive masquerade.

Any other OS worldwide - in this stripped, absolutely clean config - would boot&run like a supersonic missile.
Not Vista, however, being the insanely overloaded slug it is.

I'm looking forward to throwing this POS off my harddrive again, my predictions not only have been hit dead-on, in many cases they have been exceeded (as usual, the curse of being a very analytical person).

The deeper I dig and the closer I look, the more dirt is becoming visible on Vista under its shiny hood Tongue
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Reply #16 - 29.07.09 at 19:31:47
 
Interesting, maybe disabling all those services is actually not the way to go. I've gone through the services, and actually found only a handful that I needed to disable. And Vista is seriously quick for me, on my quad core system with 4gb ram. Overall snappiness is on par with XP, easily even, and my XP install was trimmed to ultimate speed. Also with games Vista is very quick and have noticed a speed increase in benchmarks actually. I would say that Vista has gotten better and better with all the updates, but even in the beginning it wasn't too bad. Certainly not bad enough to warrant a switch back to XP.

But, IMO win7 will be Vista done right. Vista should have been a lot quicker with less bugs straight from the start.

But lets not forget, XP was a pain in the ass when it first came out, it took much longer then Vista to get up to speed compared to win2000.
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Reply #17 - 29.07.09 at 19:39:33
 
Mind you by the way, before I forgot to mention it, I've disabled quite a bit, sidebar, HD indexing. disabled UAC, disabled Windows Defender, disabled system restore, no hibernation stuff (diskclean up immediately recovered the hibernation file, 4Gb large!! lol). Things like that do speed the system up as well. Vista at stock isn't particularly 'clean'. Disabled one or two services like the search service, and similar basic services.
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Reply #18 - 01.08.09 at 18:04:53
 
Tim wrote on 29.07.09 at 19:31:47:
Interesting, maybe disabling all those services is actually not the way to go. I've gone through the services, and actually found only a handful that I needed to disable. And Vista is seriously quick for me, on my quad core system with 4gb ram. Overall snappiness is on par with XP, easily even, and my XP install was trimmed to ultimate speed. Also with games Vista is very quick and have noticed a speed increase in benchmarks actually. I would say that Vista has gotten better and better with all the updates, but even in the beginning it wasn't too bad. Certainly not bad enough to warrant a switch back to XP.

But, IMO win7 will be Vista done right. Vista should have been a lot quicker with less bugs straight from the start.

But lets not forget, XP was a pain in the ass when it first came out, it took much longer then Vista to get up to speed compared to win2000.
I'm running a similar setup to you Tim and to be honest I think Vista Ultimate is the bollocks,I have a dual booting system with xp pro ,I love it,I did notice a slightly higher framerate with GRID on XP,but,apart from that,gimme Vista any day
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Reply #19 - 01.08.09 at 18:10:37
 
"A friend" has been using Windows 7 Ultimate RTM for a week now.  It blows away anything M$ has had on the market for a long time.

/edit - On a side note.....
@ Tim:  why don't you try easing up on your double+ postings  Roll Eyes
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Reply #20 - 21.06.14 at 10:32:59
 
Worst system made in the last decade. Buggy, first of all. My games and application often crash, etc... I wish I had not tried it, because my personal archive is gone too!!!! Sad
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Reply #21 - 27.07.14 at 00:42:51
 
IMHO Vista has long been overtaken by Win 8.

After all, Vista did work just like Win7 minus the lower GUI response times and the downright insane harddrive I/O. At least those issues could be migitated by an SSD.

I just installed a Vista on a system for data processing purposes and apart from the update marathon (which is another Vista insanity) - it chugs along nicely and is easy to setup.

In comparison, my new laptop shipped with Win8.1 preinstalled and after an entire weekend of trying to get it to do anything the way I wanted - it got booted straight from the HD and was replaced by Win7.

IMHO it's simply impossible to create something more inconsistent, impractical and downright unusable than Win8.
If there is a way to make it even worse - I wouldn't know how.
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Reply #22 - 27.07.14 at 12:58:39
 
FalconFly wrote on 27.07.14 at 00:42:51:
IMHO it's simply impossible to create something more inconsistent, impractical and downright unusable than Win8.
If there is a way to make it even worse - I wouldn't know how.


I'd consider buying a new laptop if Win7 was still around, my fiance has Win 8 on hers and even with some hacks and stripping some stuff out is a horrible operating system.
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Reply #23 - 31.07.14 at 18:59:30
 
FalconFly wrote on 27.07.14 at 00:42:51:
I wouldn't know how.


I can give you one: Windows 2012 Server: It is absolutely insane what you have to do, to log yourself off if you're connected via remote desktop to one of these things, holy mother of Posseidon's salty a**  Angry
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Reply #24 - 27.08.14 at 18:26:18
 
Since this post got regurgitated, I figured I'd throw in an opinion as well on Win 8.

I've got an iPhone 5S for work and a Lumia 925 with Win 8 for my personal phone and I absolutely love the thing. That said...

On a desktop or laptop, it should be thrown out the window, ran over by a truck, have gas poured over it and set to flame. On my phone, it's not big deal because I'm not using it for much as far as needing to get into the configuration to the thing but holy crap, trying to find anything in it is so bad.

My parents bought new laptops that came with Win 8 on them around New Years because of XP going away and I ended up upgrading them to Win 7 because neither one (both in their 70's) could work a Win 8 machine. The common sense train went into a tunnel during creation of this mess and never came out.

The Win 9 public beta comes out in Sept so it will be interesting on what comes of it but as OutOfRange said, the only worse then Win 8 is Server 2012. It's got some cool ideas but implementation is a voyage into hell.

The new CEO of MS seems to get it though and seems to want to bring MS back into a respectable tech company. As he said in one of his first speeches, MS has become old and more or less "Your dads tech company" when it comes to innovation since Ballmer took over. He's pushing for what seems to be some cool ideas but only time will tell.
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