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Climategate - The end of the Global Warming fraud
02.12.09 at 11:11:07
 
If you haven't heard some emails at England's East Anglia University's Climate Research Unit (CRU) were leaked (or hacked) recently proving the last 150 years of original World temperature data has been destroyed and changed to suit the Global Warming theory.  Also, real scientists/climatologists of the world (over 31,000 of them) are saying that Global Warming is a fraud and the data is cooked.

It's our Sun that controls our temperature, not man made carbon emissions.  Go figure!   Grin

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Reply #1 - 02.12.09 at 17:27:35
 
Unfortunately global warming is a real thing, whether it's caused by greenhouse gases or other natural cycles of our solarsystem/earth whatever.

Go tell all the icecaps in the world global warming is a fraud and see them magically grow back....not really lol, they are still melting at pretty alarming rates.
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Reply #2 - 02.12.09 at 19:10:46
 
Yes, we have cycles of cooling and warming that lasts a few years or even a few decades.  We are in a global cooling phase right now, not warming.  These cycles have been going on for billiions of years.  This Global Warming idea is designed to setup a world tax on everyone and also to shutdown industries so that only the global elite will be in control of what's left.  The carbon tax (cap and trade) is designed to setup the Bank of the World and to bring in world government (global governance).

Stop believing all the propaganda that is being pushed on you and read through the lies.  BTW, the icecaps are still there.   Roll Eyes

PS - The Copenhagen meeting concerning climate change next week is attempting to cement the carbon tax scheme and world government.

PPS - The IPCC - the scientific group that is the reference group for the University of East Anglia is only 2500 people and most are paid off bureaucrats.  Only a handful are actually scientists.
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Reply #3 - 03.12.09 at 00:28:36
 
razrx wrote on 02.12.09 at 19:10:46:
Yes, we have cycles of cooling and warming that lasts a few years or even a few decades.  We are in a global cooling phase right now, not warming.  These cycles have been going on for billiions of years.  This Global Warming idea is designed to setup a world tax on everyone and also to shutdown industries so that only the global elite will be in control of what's left.  The carbon tax (cap and trade) is designed to setup the Bank of the World and to bring in world government (global governance).

Stop believing all the propaganda that is being pushed on you and read through the lies.  BTW, the icecaps are still there.   Roll Eyes

PS - The Copenhagen meeting concerning climate change next week is attempting to cement the carbon tax scheme and world government.

PPS - The IPCC - the scientific group that is the reference group for the University of East Anglia is only 2500 people and most are paid off bureaucrats.  Only a handful are actually scientists.


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Reply #4 - 03.12.09 at 00:46:03
 
razrx wrote on 02.12.09 at 19:10:46:
Yes, we have cycles of cooling and warming that lasts a few years or even a few decades.  We are in a global cooling phase right now, not warming.  These cycles have been going on for billiions of years.  This Global Warming idea is designed to setup a world tax on everyone and also to shutdown industries so that only the global elite will be in control of what's left.  The carbon tax (cap and trade) is designed to setup the Bank of the World and to bring in world government (global governance).

Stop believing all the propaganda that is being pushed on you and read through the lies.  BTW, the icecaps are still there.   Roll Eyes

PS - The Copenhagen meeting concerning climate change next week is attempting to cement the carbon tax scheme and world government.

PPS - The IPCC - the scientific group that is the reference group for the University of East Anglia is only 2500 people and most are paid off bureaucrats.  Only a handful are actually scientists.


Easy on the 'it's all a conspiracy' thing there buddy, I was just conversing, not having a go at you. lol

I'm pretty much a noob in climatology (is that even a word?) Just find it odd that for some reason the average temps go up instead of down like you say. You can say the ice caps are still there, but they have shrunk so much over the years that you can't really speak of global cooling can you.
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Reply #5 - 03.12.09 at 01:02:39
 

LOL, what's that website all about man, I think some people have watched way to many Youtube conspiracy videos, next thing you know the Illuminati are being funded by Global tax so they can take over the world, oh noes!!!111  Grin

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In recent years God has been trying to remind us that He is in control of the weather not man. I don't know how many "Global Warming" meetings have been canceled due to winter storms. And don't forget when Newsweek came out in 1996 with their now infamous "Global Warming Cover", it hit the stands the same time as the "Blizzard Of The Century". Incidentally that's when they started calling it "Climate Change".
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Reply #6 - 03.12.09 at 01:46:54
 
All you have to do is DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH and keep an open mind.  You'll connect the dots.  Wink

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Reply #7 - 03.12.09 at 09:09:10
 
razrx wrote on 03.12.09 at 01:46:54:
All you have to do is DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH and keep an open mind.  You'll connect the dots.  Wink

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Okay, read read and read, and brief summary is that the earth is actually warming up, but the debate is to how much we as humans add to that, and that's it's terribly overhyped as the earth has always gone through cycles of heating up, and that CO emissions increase happened hundred of years after that.

I'm not sure where you read we are in a cooling phase though.

The amount of CO we dump in the atmosphere is still worrying though, and I wouldn't be surprised it adds to the global warming.
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Reply #8 - 03.12.09 at 09:22:04
 
Tim wrote on 03.12.09 at 09:09:10:
razrx wrote on 03.12.09 at 01:46:54:
All you have to do is DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH and keep an open mind.  You'll connect the dots.  Wink

www.wearechange.org
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Okay, read read and read, and brief summary is that the earth is actually warming up, but the debate is to how much we as humans add to that, and that's it's terribly overhyped as the earth has always gone through cycles of heating up, and that CO emissions increase happened hundred of years after that.

I'm not sure where you read we are in a cooling phase though.

The amount of CO we dump in the atmosphere is still worrying though, and I wouldn't be surprised it adds to the global warming.


We do put CO2 in the air, but it's really a minute factor.

Here's a sample of the emails that were found.
http://torontochange.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=334

"The fact is that we can’t account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a travesty that we can’t. The CERES data published in the August BAMS 09 supplement on 2008 shows there should be even more warming: but the data are surely wrong. Our observing system is inadequate.

Kevin Trenberth < trenbert@ucar.eduThis e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it >
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I seem to be getting an email a week from skeptics saying where’s the warming gone. I know the warming is on the decadal scale, but it would be nice to wear their smug grins away.

Phil Jones < p.jones@uea.ac.ukThis e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it >
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In any case, if the sulfate hypothesis is right, then your prediction of warming might end up being wrong. I think we have been too readily explaining the slow changes over past decade as a result of variability–that explanation is wearing thin. I would just suggest, as a backup to your prediction, that you also do some checking on the sulfate issue, just so you might have a quantified explanation in case the prediction is wrong. Otherwise, the Skeptics will be all over us–the world is really cooling, the models are no good, etc. And all this just as the US is about ready to get serious on the issue.

Mike MacCracken < mmaccrac@comcast.netThis e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it >
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Ironically, the E1-IMAGE scenario runs, although much cooler in the long term of course, are considerably warmer than A1B-AR4 for several decades! Also – relevant to your statement – A1B-AR4 runs show potential for a distinct lack of warming in the early 21st C, which I’m sure skeptics would love to see replicated in the real world… (See the attached plot for illustration but please don’t circulate this any further as these are results in progress, not yet shared with other ENSEMBLES partners let alone published).

Tim Johns < tim.johns@metoffice.gov.ukThis e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it >
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Your final sentence though about improvements in reviewing and traceability is a bit of a hostage to fortune. The skeptics will try to hang on to something, but I don’t want to give them something clearly tangible.

Phil Jones < p.jones@uea.ac.ukThis e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it >
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Looks pretty good to me. Only one issue. In our discussion of possible participants in Bern, I think (someone correct me if I’m wrong) we concluded that the last two on the list (w/ question marks) would be unwise choices because they are likely to cause conflict than to contribute to concensus [sic] and progress.

Christoph Kull < christoph.kull@pages.unibe.chThis e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it >
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Mike, I agree very much with the above sentiment. My concern was motivated by the possibility of expressing an impression of more concensus than might actually exist . I suppose the earlier talk implying that we should not ‘muddy the waters’ by including contradictory evidence worried me. IPCC is supposed to represent concensus but also areas of uncertainty in the evidence. Of course where there are good reasons for the differences in series (such as different seasonal responses or geographic bias) it is equally important not to overstress the discrepancies or suggest contradiction where it does not exist.

Keith Briffa < k.briffa@uea.ac.ukThis e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it >
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The key thing is making sure the series are vertically aligned in a reasonable way. I had been using the entire 20th century, but in the case of Keith’s, we need to align the first half of the 20th century w/ the corresponding mean values of the other series, due to the late 20th century decline. So, if we show Keith’s series in this plot, we have to comment that "something else" is responsible for the discrepancies in this case. Otherwise, the skeptics have an field day casting doubt on our ability to understand the factors that influence these estimates and, thus, can undermine faith in the paleoestimates.

Michael E. Mann < mann@multiproxy.evsc.virginia.eduThis e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it >"
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Reply #9 - 03.12.09 at 18:04:16
 
That site makes a bit more sense. I can only say one thing, thank goodness I'm not involved in any way or shape with this climategate.  Grin

What an absolute mess, well they got caught. It'd be very interesting to see what will happen in Copenhagen.  Wink
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Reply #10 - 03.12.09 at 18:33:42
 
ITT: Reasons why I do not watch the news or pay any attention to politics/government.  (much happier that way not knowig of all the BS in the world)
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rottentreats wrote on 03.12.09 at 18:33:42:
ITT: Reasons why I do not watch the news or pay any attention to politics/government.  (much happier that way not knowig of all the BS in the world)


Same here really.
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Reply #12 - 03.12.09 at 19:44:33
 
Yes, stick your head in the sand.  That will fix the problems.  Roll Eyes

PS - when you don't know what you're talking about it's better if you just keep your mouth closed and listen, you might learn something.
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Reply #13 - 03.12.09 at 23:26:52
 
razrx wrote on 03.12.09 at 19:44:33:
Yes, stick your head in the sand.  That will fix the problems.  Roll Eyes

PS - when you don't know what you're talking about it's better if you just keep your mouth closed and listen, you might learn something.


Wow, no need to be rude there seriously, what's your problem all of the sudden. I choose not to care because there are more important things to worry about in my life. Well I do care actually, but that's a different story all together.

Seriously, there is no reasonable debate because people have got such a short fuse like you do, seeing things that aren't even there, as in, me not even being rude, just expressing my opinion why I choose not to follow politics. You are entitled to your opinion, me, after your last post, I'd rather not waste time listening to what you have to say.

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razrx wrote on 03.12.09 at 19:44:33:
Yes, stick your head in the sand.  That will fix the problems.  Roll Eyes 

PS - when you don't know what you're talking about it's better if you just keep your mouth closed and listen, you might learn something.


You are so awesome.  I hope when I grow up I can be just like you.  Oh wait, I don't want to be an arrogant canadian. (not worth capitalizing because of people like you)

PS - I see you have a fly problem... you should get that checked out. (you are stinking up the place)

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