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paulpsomiadis

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Brick wall...
09.03.07 at 01:24:48

Well it's official! Roll Eyes

Compaq / HP mainboards are EVIL - EEEEEVIL I tells ya'! Angry

What's this all about... Tongue

Well, those who read around the board a LOT will have seen me hinting at an upgrade to my 3Dfx rig. Wink

And that it would 'resurrect' a old thread in the forum... Wink

Which was THIS thread... Grin

http://www.falconfly-central.de/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?board=offtopic;action=displ...

Yes I finally have the parts to get my Wildcat 2110 GFX card working... Grin

...problem is that the ONLY mainboard that supports the card is from Compaq (pretty obvious since it's an OEM Compaq card). Roll Eyes

Why is this bad? ???

Well, as I discovered - ALL of the pin headers on the Compaq mainboard are CUSTOM. Angry

So unless you have a Compaq case - you're screwed! Angry

(even if you manage to find the pinout - it STILL doesn't work) Angry

So now I have to find the case for a Compaq AP550 to go with the mainboard... Angry

GRR!

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Obi-Wan_Kenobi Ex Member	Re: Brick wall... Reply #1 - 09.03.07 at 03:46:39 hmm still wierd Paul, the Compaq Voodoo 3 1000 as 3500C cards are Compaq OEM cards as well, but they function flawlessly in custom built orsay IBM Clone PC's, strange that that Wildcat doesn't cope.
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paulpsomiadis God Member Offline -=3Dfx still rox!=- Posts: 2011 Newcastle U.K. Gender:	Re: Brick wall... Reply #2 - 09.03.07 at 16:37:31 Heh, it's not that it can't cope - LOL! The Wildcat is a workstation card and is AGP Pro 110. This means to get it running, you need an AGP Pro 110 slot with a PCI slot beside it (yeah, it uses both). So when I said that few mainboards support this - I wasn't kidding! ...I'll solve it eventually though!
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Obi-Wan_Kenobi

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Re: Brick wall...
Reply #3 - 09.03.07 at 18:35:35

just buy a Tyan Thunder K8W Wink

AGP Pro x8 110Watt
1x 133Mhz PCI-X slots
1x 100Mhz PCI-X slots
2x 66Mhz 64Bit PCI Slots [ also backwardscompliant with PCI 32Bit]
1x 33Mhz Legacy PCI 32 Bit slot

it supports Dual Core Opteron 265, 270, 275, 280 as 285 CPU's with the latest bios flash

A friend of mine has this beast, and it can swallow 8GB PC3200 ECC Reg per CPU and it has Dual channel DDR 400 per CPU in total 12.8GB per sec max ram bandwidth

This board should fix your problem with ease!

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paulpsomiadis God Member Offline -=3Dfx still rox!=- Posts: 2011 Newcastle U.K. Gender:	Re: Brick wall... Reply #4 - 09.03.07 at 23:57:45 Yeah, I researched that board as a possibility too...but it's WAAAY too expensive to buy dual Opterons. Also, this board is no good, as the PCI slot beside the AGP Pro 110 is a 64bit slot - not a 32bit slot like I need... So I'm stuck with the Compaq mainboard...
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Obi-Wan_Kenobi Ex Member	Re: Brick wall... Reply #5 - 10.03.07 at 00:05:43 Dual Opteron's are cheap, just take 2 OpteroDP 244's really not that expensive they are something like 143 euro's a piece over here.
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paulpsomiadis God Member Offline -=3Dfx still rox!=- Posts: 2011 Newcastle U.K. Gender:	Re: Brick wall... Reply #6 - 20.03.07 at 22:22:30 YAY! Finally! http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200088006550&ssPageNam... ...now I just have to wait for it to arrive... @Obi_Wan told me about THIS mainboard, which would also work with my workstation GFX card... MSI MS-9130 Pro K8T Master2 FAR7 ...but like I said, dual Opterons are out of my price range!
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Obi-Wan_Kenobi

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Re: Brick wall...
Reply #7 - 20.03.07 at 22:50:18

the FAR7 is the MS9617 my mistake there , that one has AGP Pro x8 50 watt slot and that Tyan Thunder K8W has an AGP Pro x8 110 Watt slot.

my bad for naming the FAR7 wrongly Lips Sealed

the MS-9130 is the predecessor of the MS-9617, the MS-9130 has the VIA Apollo K8T800 chipset which supports Hyper Transport 1.0 which opperaties @ 800Mhz and up to Dual OpteronDP 250 CG stepping max.

The MS-9617 has the VIA Apollo K8T800 Pro chipset supports Hyper Transport 2.0 which opperates @ 1Ghz and the board supports all Socket 940 CPU's up to Dual OpteronDC 285, Opteron 8 series would work as well.

shame that Opterons are too expensive, the Opteron 242 the cheapest model is around 120 euro's apiece, you could crank them up easily to Opteron 250 speeds if you have a nice core

Oh well I understand your point and I know it hurts, Opterons are so nice it really hurts to be true espeacially if you can't afford them Cry

, hereby I feel your pain Cry

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Re: Brick wall...
Reply #8 - 20.03.07 at 23:14:41

Hey Paul, I remember one old'n'reliable motherboard with AGP PRO - Asus A7V133 (-c); it's an old VIA KT133A based MB, one of the best. It has AGP pro and a lot of PCI slots. It has nothing integrated and overclocks woderfully. It may be an old one, but it may still bring some performance with an Athlon XP T'bred ~ 2 Ghz. It could maybe even work with a Barton...

I am also using one system based on KT133A, with the old king - V5 5500 and 768MB RAM and Windows 98... Works great.

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Obi-Wan_Kenobi

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Re: Brick wall...
Reply #9 - 21.03.07 at 00:04:46

heh my ASUS A7V333-R Rev.1.02 also has an AGP Pro x4 50 Watt slot Wink

it's advantage is that it can swallow 3x 1GB PC2700 and AthlonXP 2700+ for CPU.

The Rev2.0 can go up to AthlonXP Barton 3000+.
here my AthlonXP 2700+ setup with ASUS AX800XT Platinum Edition AGP 256MB GDDR3, you can see that the AGP slot is an AGP Pro x4 slot since it's alot longer than the shorter normal AGP x4 slots

it's even universal so every 3dfx AGP card can work in it, the only card that won't function is a Voodoo 5 6000, the 5000 AGP ran flawlessly

the Windows 2000 Professional layout is from the Un-Official Service Pack 2.03 for windows 98SE

Here the AX800XT PE AGP in the AGP Pro X4 slot

I kinda fixed that retention bracket of my AX800XT PE AGP, since it was flipped the wrong way round lol. Roll Eyes

The AX800XT PE AGP functions flawlessly in AGP x4 mode, just make sure you don't enable FastWrites, since Fast Writes causes problems same with GeForce cards.

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elfuego Senior Member Offline Searching for V5 6k... Posts: 420 Aachen, Deutschland Gender:	Re: Brick wall... Reply #10 - 21.03.07 at 12:42:17 Quote: The AX800XT PE AGP functions flawlessly in AGP x4 mode, just make sure you don't enable FastWrites, since Fast Writes causes problems same with GeForce cards. Not true. Fastwrites only cause problems with AMD+ATI combination. ATI+Intel = Fastwrites OK, NV+(AMD/Intel) = OK.
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Obi-Wan_Kenobi

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Re: Brick wall...
Reply #11 - 21.03.07 at 17:21:55

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Not true. Fastwrites only cause problems with AMD+ATI combination. ATI+Intel = Fastwrites OK, NV+(AMD/Intel) = OK.

cut teh crap lol I have tested it myself Angry

your post is illogical.
I even got Fastwrites working on my Dual OpteronDP 244 that was with the X800 XT PE AGP the same card I use now in the AXP 2700+, the Ti4600, 6800 AGP as 6800GT AGP also ran with problems on the KT333 and Fast Writes, on the Opteron system there were no problems to be found Wink

so don't babble around that I am lieing, which would be rather ghey.

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Re: Brick wall...
Reply #12 - 21.03.07 at 17:49:36

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cut teh crap lol I have tested it myself Angry

your post is illogical.
I even got Fastwrites working on my Dual OpteronDP 244 that was with the X800 XT PE AGP the same card I use now in the AXP 2700+, the Ti4600, 6800 AGP as 6800GT AGP also ran with problems on the KT333 and Fast Writes, on the Opteron system there were no problems to be found Wink

so don't babble around that I am lieing, which would be rather ghey.

It's totallty logical, since I've tested quite a few configurations myself. I am not sure about GF6800, nor the new Radeons (nor Opterons for that matter), but 'till my PC-Servicer days (Radeon 9800/FX 5900 /NF2/VIA KT600 /i865/875 era) it's as I say in general. If you ran into some problems, that's because of a specific driver (software) and/or specific mainboard - not FW.

The newer cards may not have this issues, so I cannot guarantee that you're not correct to some point, but anyway - Paul is getting himself an oldie, an' not a shiny new R600 or 8800 (nor opteron, for that matter).

And - you have something against gheys, I presume? Grin

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gamma742 God Member Offline 3Dfx Gamer Posts: 1668 San Diego, CA USA Gender:	Re: Brick wall... Reply #13 - 21.03.07 at 18:39:41 Can I ask a stoopid question? Does ghey mean "gay"?
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Obi-Wan_Kenobi

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Re: Brick wall...
Reply #14 - 21.03.07 at 20:01:28

@ Gamma742

you have PM.

@ elfuego

It's the way your lecture came my way:
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Not true. Fastwrites only cause problems with AMD+ATI combination. ATI+Intel = Fastwrites OK, NV+(AMD/Intel) = OK.

And that was the reason why I used teh word ghey, i came a little too erey over my mind, because what i said was true, it's that I have tested it my self, here my experience, if I may: Wink

Since if it would cause problems with FW, why did my AthlonXP 2600+ Barton setup on ASUS A7N8X Deluxe 2.0 run fine with fast Writes? I tested the Hercules 9700 Pro, Club3D 9700 Pro, Connect3D 9800Pro as X800 XT PE AGP in that system setup with as with out Fast Writes and no funny stuff nor matter what Wink

the chipset was a nVidia nForce2 SPP MCP-T with the nVidia MCP-T Southbridge chip for the nVidia Sound Storm Audio.

that was the best Socket A mobo with NF2 I have ever used.

I don't bother if people are gay or not @ least that they go on do'n their stuff, since that they are just humanoids like us, it's just a word we PP people say when we don't like responses or getting nonsense lectures from others Wink

Which was the neat way of explaining teh word ghey lol.
BTW the 8800 is old the R600 is not Wink

Anyways let's get back ontopic, shall we Wink

maybe that ASUS A7N8X Deluxe rev 2.0 is an idea Paulpsomiadis it has an AGP x4/x8 Pro 50 watt slot

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