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07.06.04 at 09:03:24
 
Lets say that someone who modded his Voodoo 4500 into a 64mb card.

Based on the above, lets assume that's the **only** V4 with 64mb of ram, there isn't a card like it, 3dfx never made it, and again - it's the **only** card that has 64mb per a VSA chip. (other V4/5 have 16mb/32mb per chip)

Lets say that person is in some really deep trouble, money-wise, and would even sell his left nut [but that's not the topic here]

For how much do you think, that hypothetical person, would be able to sell it?
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Reply #1 - 07.06.04 at 09:23:06
 
The most correct answer : unknown and unassessable
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Reply #2 - 07.06.04 at 10:12:15
 
Voodoo4 with 64mb would be possible, since it there are "free" ram spaces on the PCB, but really, how much difference in performance would that make? None. Only when using FSAA, but the again, the Voodoo 4 (one VSA 100) can only do 2x FSAA. Let's not forget a BIOS modification.

IMHO, it's not worth jack.  Cheesy
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Reply #3 - 07.06.04 at 13:06:24
 
Not *would* but *is* Smiley

Currently running in my machine ktnx

Actually gives about 300 more points in 3dmark2001SE, but i wasn't going to sell it as the 'ultimate V4 in performance', rather as 'just as rare as amigamerlin's Rampage'
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Reply #4 - 07.06.04 at 13:12:59
 
Can you post pictures of the card please ?
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Reply #5 - 07.06.04 at 13:31:59
 
Ofcourse, bit later though when i'll reboot or something of that sort

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Reply #6 - 07.06.04 at 16:23:46
 
Dump the BIOS and email it to Stanto; that's if he still takes BIOS'.
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Reply #7 - 07.06.04 at 16:29:12
 
Hm, I'd be interested who did the Mod, and how he had it working out ?

(I've heard of similar Plans to mod a Voodoo5 to 128MB, but due to the Problems involved it was never realized)
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Reply #8 - 07.06.04 at 19:03:11
 
id be interested in buying it just to send it to hank, maybe that would help him out with the v5 mod, seems no one else has been able to do this mod, at least that i know of,  of course on the v5 you would have to unsoder the ram and put more in its place, still how much do you think you want for it? i wish i had the skill to do such work  Sad
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Reply #9 - 07.06.04 at 20:17:22
 
@Lecram25
The bios i have there isn't GPL'd yet, sorry Smiley

@FalconFly
The hardware-level things were handled by a friend of mine, he's a master when it comes to soldering things.

Software wise, it was all me.

@VDX
I could probably do the 128mb mod for V5 pretty easily aswell, but that one has 2 VSA's, bit different bios code etc', harder work but i think it's possible too

@Patience
The memory /everywhere/ is recognized as 64mb Smiley dxdiag/3dfxtools/raw bios strings, you name it.

If your asking for an 'how did you do it' explenation, it's rather simple;

1) find a voodoo4 that has Hyundai ram, 6ns
2) find someone who has a GF2mx or a GF2mx400 with the same Hyundai 6ns ram (those are /very/ popular)
3) solder the ram off the GF2mx
4) clean it with alcohol etc'
5) solder it on the voodoo4
6) *clickety click* *few bios hacks* *some more bios hacks*

Viola Smiley you have a 64mb Voodoo4 Smiley
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Reply #10 - 07.06.04 at 20:50:18
 
Well, if I were you, I'd start making a small series of Cards (maybe on a per-request basis), and sell them.

That should get you a nice margin there Wink
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Reply #11 - 07.06.04 at 21:36:47
 
Good idea falcon, might just do that Cheesy

@patience
Ofcourse it's possible, the thing is that you have to find /identical/ ram as your v4 is using.

And the most popular card that has Hyundai 6ns ram is the GF2mx (not mx200, that one has 64bit ram).

Hypotheticly, if i had a V4 with 6ns Samsung ram, and id'e find a card that has the exactly same ram, id'e be able to do the mod there too.

But since i never tested that situation, i'm not totaly sure. (i only had 2 V4s, both of which are Hyundai ram, one sold the other is this one)
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Reply #12 - 07.06.04 at 22:45:35
 
The way I see it-

While an interesting piece any game that would need that much ram for local video would also no doubt require more horsepower and features then the V-4500's VSA-100 could provide.

I'd say it's a buyers market on such a piece.

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Reply #13 - 07.06.04 at 23:17:43
 
Indeed
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Reply #14 - 08.06.04 at 00:49:44
 
now this is my kind of thread, since i have no luck getting in touch with hank your the only other person that seems to be interested in this modifacation, im willing to send you a working v5 and the money  to do the work, if you think you would like to do it and come up with a price i will relocate the thread on where to get the ram needed, please let me know what you think, if you dont want to do it ill understand,


also anyone no where that thread was on the ram?  someone had it all figured out
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