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Re: Meet ATi's R600!!!
Reply #15 - 27.11.06 at 13:51:33
 
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@ gdonovan:

The V6K beats the GF2U in some places, in some places it even nears a GeForce 3 if it's OpenGL, Glide or D3D, I read that on your benchmark page Gary, but in some places it's the otherway around. http://www.thedodgegarage.com/3dfx/bench_v6k.htm
Suppose it rocked mostly in Glide as OpenGL


It also has the advantage of a very powerful CPU, an advantage it did not have to in 2000.

In 2000 the T'NL of the GF2 had the upper hand with the fastest CPU being a 800-900 mhz chip it was a huge advantage over the 3dfx products.

If you check out the other benchmark page I did with a 1.0 ghz Celeron a GF2MX beats the heck out of a V5-6000 in several benchmarks.
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Re: Meet ATi's R600!!!
Reply #16 - 27.11.06 at 15:08:32
 
yeah totally right there, but with the AthlonXP Barton 3000+ setup it was kinda of a reversed world for the NV chips, there were thoughts that a even an AthlonXP  Barton 3000+ isn't even powerfull enough for a V6K to render with. Lips Sealed

I really hope that the AGP x8 Dual Opteron boards will support a Voodoo3 like you asked earlier, then the Voodoo 5 6000 could show it's upper sides.

hehe I know we all went offtopic as I did too oh well doesn't matter Smiley

I really wonder how ATi is gonna cool the Mobile R600 aka R600M, I mean 534 Mil transistor's is a heck of a lot to cool some even mentioned 617 Mil transistors Lips Sealed

Or will they reduce the amount of Transistors like they did with the R420? aka M18 Mobillity Radeon 9800?

a X1800 XT Platinum Edition had an R420 with 160 Mil Transistors my M18 R420 has only 110 Mil Transistors, would the R600M get the same type of degrade?
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Re: Meet ATi's R600!!!
Reply #17 - 27.11.06 at 21:33:06
 
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Sorry mate but if you would OC the 9600 Pro it would crush a Ti 4200, but what are you aiming at?

I am aiming at that the GF4 Ti was ahead of it's time, as well as Radeon 9500/9700 (not 9600!) when they arrived. It was a great card and it still is. Many people play Oblivion with it just fine (without extra effects, of course).

Here, u take a look at this:
http://www.ixbt.com/video2/images/r9600pro/3dm01-marks-aa-anis.png
yellow VS pink (dark blue); yellow is GF4 ti 4200, pink is a normal 9600 pro and  dark blue is overclocked 9600 pro. Please, dont forget that most ti4200 can be overclocked to ti4600 level and even more. When oveclocked - it becomes the beast that eats (overclocked) radeons for breakfast.

I always respected Codecreatures benchmark... take a look at this too:
http://www.octools.com/articles/chaintech/apogee/code1.jpg

And for the end, ti4200 is two years older then radeon 9600, so what's there to discuss about? I know that there is no shader model 2.0 support in ti4200, but in raw power - it's still a great card.

back to the topic: I hope that new Radeon is going to be good, I hope that for AMD's sake and for our's sake. It would be a shame to have monopoly in graphics market (nv domination).
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Re: Meet ATi's R600!!!
Reply #18 - 27.11.06 at 22:33:58
 
@ elfuego

Read this before you complain
http://www.bjorn3d.com/read.php?cID=264

and stop polluting this topic, if the R600 isn't your thing, Please do not intefere
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Re: Meet ATi's R600!!!
Reply #19 - 27.11.06 at 23:21:11
 
I wonder if the R600's PCB is gonna get 12 layers also? just like 3dfx did with their Rev.A 3900 V6K's, Since that the R600 GPU has over the 500 mil transistors, a 12 layer PCB might be needed for extra stabillity as power flow?
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Re: Meet ATi's R600!!!
Reply #20 - 28.11.06 at 05:10:41
 
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hehe I know we all went offtopic as I did too oh well doesn't matter Smiley

Chill out a bit Wink I am not complaining; R9600 is indeed better then ti4200, but please do take a look at this: http://users.vtkom.net/~benchmark/

in fact, the only interesting part is this:

http://users.vtkom.net/~benchmark/html/gf4ti4200.htm //overclocked ti4200 on a AthlonXP Tbred B 2.5Ghz (16605 marks)
http://users.vtkom.net/~benchmark/html/radeon9600.htm //overclocked R9600 XT on a Athlon 64, Newcastle, 2.7Ghz (16760 marks)

Of course, in newer 3Dmark 03, with the lack of shader model 2.0 support, ti4200 is giving away:
http://users.vtkom.net/~benchmark/html/gf4ti4200.03.htm // 2132 marks
http://users.vtkom.net/~benchmark/html/radeon9600.03.htm //5355 marks

But it's still one hell of a card and you know it. The difference between the cards varies from "miserable" (oldies) to "not that great" in actuall games. Before you dig out more links check this out too: http://www.digital-daily.com/video/vga-roundup/

And I wouldn't call a little NV-ATI-3DFX chatter pollution. But it is a bit offtopic. If you think that it should not be here, then let this (and all other offtopics) be deleted or moved. I will do it myself if you only but ask. Cheers friend, no harm done  Wink
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Re: Meet ATi's R600!!!
Reply #21 - 28.11.06 at 15:11:51
 
Apologies accepted elfuego Smiley

Got some more R600 news here, okay did get it from the Inquirer oh well @ least something to look at I thought Smiley
http://uk.theinquirer.net/?article=35995

"The 500+ GFLOPS-producing monster chip is manufactured on a 80nm manufacturing process, which allows the chip maker to squeeze more transistors on the silicon"

"ATI on the other hand, took the risky road, pulled 80nm manufacturing process from the drawing board onto silicon and produced a 720-million transistor monster that is currently seeking its final clock speed."


Well quite something it does more that 500GFLOPS, it's 0.08 Micron process based and houses an amazing 720 Mil transistors alot more that 534Mil of before heh!
Now AMD.ATi is trying to find a good clockspeed for it, I reckon 750Mhz Core/2500Mhz for the ram aka 1250Mhz DDR.

Just a speculation there Smiley
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Re: Meet ATi's R600!!!
Reply #22 - 05.12.06 at 12:16:50
 
BTW here ATi's new logo 8)
http://www.3dfxzone.it/news/puntatore.php?uid=4046

The old one:
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The new one Tongue
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The new one has more style, though the old has the nice chrome boarder around it Smiley
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Re: Meet ATi's R600!!!
Reply #23 - 23.12.06 at 15:45:01
 
What would be the name of a new Ati R600 cards

I guess that the serie name would be X2** like the fastest card would be named X2900 XTX
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Re: Meet ATi's R600!!!
Reply #24 - 23.12.06 at 16:07:46
 
the naming would be like the following:

Enthousiast:

X2800 XTX
X2800XT

High End:

X2800 XL
X2800 Pro

Mainstream:

X2600XT
X2600 Pro

Budget stream:

X2300 XT
X2300 LE

The refresh of the AMD.ATI R600 would most likely be the R650/R680

which would create the following groupings with product names:


Enthousiast:

X2900 XTX
X2900XT

High End:

X2900 Pro
X2900 GT

Mainstream:

X2700XT
X2700 Pro

Budget stream:

X2350 XT
X2350 LE
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Re: Meet ATi's R600!!!
Reply #25 - 27.12.06 at 12:29:54
 
X2600 pro sounds perfect for me Wink just waiting that it will be published 8)
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Re: Meet ATi's R600!!!
Reply #26 - 28.12.06 at 23:30:08
 
well got this info from the dutch ATI topic Smiley

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ATI newest hearsay R600 operating frequency double 1GHz achieves Comes family's of from the actuation news

Today originates us from the anonymous news to learn ATi new generation of DX10 graph chip R600, already achieved the double G goal. The so-called double G goal is the core operating frequency achieves 1GHz, reveals saves the operating frequency to achieve 1GHz (equivalent DDR2GHz). At present the double G operating frequency type embraces in PCB the very long R600 achieved, at present also not clear ordinary PCB length R600 type card operating frequency. The R600 type card at present already delivered partial AIB to reveal the card merchant. Moreover, according to the newest hearsay, R600 uses outside 512-bit the annular main line (to support 512MB/1024MB/2048MB frame buffer), 1024-bit internal ring-like main line. 2.2GHz GDDR4 reveals saves, the peak value reveals saves band width 140.8GB/s. In constructs 128 scalar ALU, operating frequency 2GHz, each second 512 billion colouring operation. R600 integrates 16 ROP, operating frequency 1GHz, TMU unit 32, operating frequency 1GHz. Certainly, the R600 final actual parameter must take AMD the ATi announcement official parameter as.


it seemed to be one of the latest stories about the R600 and it's memory support, layout and memory capacity.
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Re: Meet ATi's R600!!!
Reply #27 - 02.01.07 at 21:56:34
 
First benchmarks of the R600...

http://www.3dfxzone.it/news/puntatore.php?uid=4161

I had to link the 3DfxZone news story, as the original news source is currently down due to people trying to access it!
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Re: Meet ATi's R600!!!
Reply #28 - 02.01.07 at 22:26:57
 
Well since my computerclub play's F.E.A.R. as main game my X1900 XTX + X1950 XTX CFE setup is fast enough, no need for a R600 for that game hehe.
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Only I wonder how it's DX9.0c performance will be with FLight Simulator X Smiley Which runs very sweet on my R580/R580+ CFE set but if a single R600 can do it alot better, I wonder how much that will differ to my R580+R580+ CFE setup, since that single R600 would consume alot lesser energy than the dual R580+R580+ CFE setup I use now also.

And also R600 is DX10.1 aka DX10.0b compliant instead of DX10.0a which the G80 only is. PWNed  Grin Grin Grin

ATi always had the upper hand in designing Ultra high end chips, thier R580 has about 9x the physical rendering power as that of a single G71 GTX and thier RV560 [X1600XT] has about 4 x the physical rendering power of a G71 GTX, so on the Physics side ATi has a greater upper hand than NV,, just imagine what a R600 would do, dual R580 or R580+ would do about 16 to 18 times the Physical rendering power of a G71 GTX, that's rendering Pure Physics ony hehe.


Also interesting Smiley

    * 64 4-Way SIMD Unified Shaders, 128 Shader Operations/Cycle
    * 32 TMUs, 16 ROPs
    * 512 bit Memory Controller, full 32 bit per chip connection
    * GDDR3 at 900 MHz clock speed (January)
    * GDDR4 at 1.1 GHz clock speed (March, revised edition)
   * Total bandwidth 115 GB/s on GDDR3 aka X2800 XT ???
    * Total bandwidth 140 GB/s on GDDR4 aka X2800 XTX ???

    * Consumer memory support 1024 MB
    * DX10 full compatibility with draft DX10.1 vendor-specific cap removal (unified programming)
    * 32FP [sic] internal processing
    * Hardware support for GPU clustering (any x^2 [sic] number, not limited to Dual or Quad-GPU)
    * Hardware DVI-HDCP support (High Definition Copy Protocol)
    * Hardware Quad-DVI output support (Limited to workstation editions)
    * 230W TDP PCI-SIG compliant

there will be a GDDR3 model with 115 Gb per sec equiped with 512Bit GDDR3 and a 140 GB per sec equiped  512Bit GDDR4 model, I suppose that the GDDR3 model is the X2800XT and the GDDR4 model the X2800 XTX, just a rough guess Smiley
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Re: Meet ATi's R600!!!
Reply #29 - 03.01.07 at 01:26:37
 
Quite amazing, but I wonder what kind of Power consumption this Card draws both under load and in idle (important to save energy during Deskop / Work times)
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