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Re: wich is better 98 or me ?
Reply #30 - 04.10.03 at 16:43:52
 
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Even if the linux kernel can be on one disk, you still would do near nothing without a Linux system installed on disk. On comparison, with MS-DOS on one disk you can do near everything you imagine and do in Linux or WIndows but much more efficiently, including networking and games.


LOL! With linux on one disk you can do tons of things: firewall, web/ftp server, router, etc ... You can't do almost anything network-related with DOS. And don't come and tell that TCP/IP implementation in DOS is even slightly comparable with the one in linux. Come on...

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Give MS a run? No chance. MS is everywhere and appreciated (sometimes for true values): federal, industry, schools, home, company users... Linux might hit network services and homw users or company users, but no more than that...


??? The number of people/organizations switching to linux is constantly increasing, especially in the public administration. We need open and transparent standards when it comes down to public administration, GNU/Linux and the open source movement can give all this. I hate that my personal informations and data are handled with a closed source software.

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Linux may not compete in a true manner as long as:
1) It remains a fairly closed system, with few privileges and rights to modify and see the structure of the OS (as it's possible to enter everywhere and see everything inside Windows).


LOL! You must have switched the words Linux and Windows in this sentence Grin Do you know what are you talking about?

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2) They will not concentrate on efficiency and configuration capabilities. As long as I cannot change as an user the way in which Linux accesses my hard drive and uses it (As I can in windows), nothing good.


I don't get what you want to say here. Linux is much more customizable than windows. Period.

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3) If they don't make the installation of Linux simpler and more transparent to the user.


You have a point here. Usually modern distributions' installations are easier than in windows; but when something is not recognized well or set up properly you are alone. They should improve that, but I think it's a matter of a still lacking support from hardware vendors.

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4) If they don't make the huge start-up time shorten seriously, they would never match the "supposed poor designed Windows".


Another good point. But starting faster is different from good design. Look at BeOS: it started in less than 10 seconds on a K6 266 with 64MB of Ram. Personally I don't mind waiting for a minute more if the system then is much faster and stabler. And usually I have to boot once a day.

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5) If Linux will really make a common usage of activating services when needed. Use 0 CPU time and RAM if no Networking activity. When there appears activity, take CPU time and memory, than return.


Eh? What are you saying here? Sorry, I don't understand. I have the total control on which services are started on my linux box. And they don't eat CPU when they are idle,

I don't want to be harsh or to start a flame. I just hate when people spread FUD or don't know what they are talking about. And this just seems the case.
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Re: wich is better 98 or me ?
Reply #31 - 06.10.03 at 14:48:59
 
First of all it is unadvisable to use such a language and say: "Oooh, you are just spreding lies, you don't know anything"...

Secondly, haven seen all the Windows that existed and seen at most what they can, similar seeing most of the things that Dos can do, and seeing 2 versions of linux (Last one was RedHat Linux 9) and on very various hardware, you shouldn't judge so easly and as usually....

Back to the point...
1)Why is Linux so good, if he must partition a drive in 3 section (boot (100Mb), Work (rest of), Swap (about 300Mb)??? It's no use and no meaning to split that much the drive, and make it so that if you don't own a SCSI, you will loose performance when the HDD is seeking to reacha file on each partition...

2) Linux is a closed  system in a way. Why would someone be denied access to certain directories and files on the partition, no matter what rights you give yourself, they remain always under system control?

3)Linux is more efficient in using RAM than Windows, but not by much... Any option to control how much memory space you use for caching (buffering) files from/to your HDD? Also, Linux is using around 20 Mb for some Netscape pages (slightly as an Windows XP IE6 page open), Explorer windows (called Navigator) which use around 7Mb per window...

4)Playing media content under Linux, even with good drivers, is still under the usual quality that Windows outputs, this can be seen as not a Linux problem, but of hardware drivers releases. But if you have a conflict on Linux, it is way harder to solve than on Win (9x).

5)Programs designed for Linux are not so amazingly different in fact. Running a game like "Linux Tux" shows a good deal of inneficiently use, since it can't run properly on a K6-2 at 450 Mhz or on a P2 with a Banshee or a Savage4. And the game is really no big deal, since even on a Radeon 9000, it's not a big difference (quality +10%) or a strong increase in speed (at most 20%). On a seriously well design, the differences should be much bigger, since runing a GTA3 on a Banshee and on a Radeon 9000 is totally different in terms of speed (300% more fps).

6)Linux still is not out of the era: "it's a good system if you don't know or bother too much, and all the apps are installed by someone else.". But trying to make some space free is not as easy as in Win, and trying to understand where really are your files placed is even harder (if you don't have them in My Documents or in the Start menu)...

7)Linux is not bug free. I remember seeing an error appear with no explanation at all. And in what program, guess? Nautilus, the Explorer counterpart, when there were also running Netscape pages.

8)Linux failed constantly on 2 fields:
a)Didn't prove in true numbers that their File System is faster than FAT16, not counting the problem of large file transfers to make problems even worse...
b)Didn't proove that is efficient in using RAM, since 64Mb or RAM can get rather quickly filled up, whenever on a Win98 it would take a little longer.

9)As on Windows, the apps don't recover fully the resources they claimed when they started, nor the memory fragmentation and allocation problems (slack generated due to the memory blocks minimum size, wasting memory when the allocation unit is not filled up, but is taken by the OS as a block used...).

10)Linux failed to prove better in how much RAM an app is using. Just as Windows 9x and upper, you will need about 4MB for each app to run it (no one time load of each .dll module in RAM and then share it as Win 3x did), and this proves that the example was taken from MS os'es, and still this tehnique is known to be limited in efficiency, since the .dll modules themselves rely on other modules. When one cracks down, it takes 50% or nearly (depends on luck and app), with it, and you could press "reset" if you are really unlucky... On the other size, DOS or Win 3x apps, even if not amazing in looks, didn't take all the system with them, even when a "General protection fault occured", and survived without freezing, even to a "protected mode failure", not to mention DOS, in which I never see a PC freeze or give random errors as in other OS'es. More, apps that are 64, 128Kb in size (DOS and Win3x) are a thing of past, now you have ones that are 512Kb-5Mb, ant they load trully 10 times more...

Try to reflect a bit at this aspects that shows the "not so bright" part of Linux.

To say a good thing, yes, Linux is safer in networking, file sharing and security than MS, at least for now, and yes, it looks just as good or even better than Win, and it has way more and greater screensavers (other true values are waited to fill the list, maybe in the future)...
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Re: wich is better 98 or me ?
Reply #32 - 06.10.03 at 22:25:56
 
@B_A

I really didn't mean to reply on this Thead anymore, but I simply couldn't resist.

Some of the statements you made are correct (after all, Linux isn't the perfect, ready-for-anyone, one-size-fits-all Operating System).

But, much of the stuff you wrote is really completely out the Window.

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I really cannot believe someone knowing obviously so little about an Item, would actually dare to write so much about it *g*

Well, in many way's, you are an exception (unfortunately).

Linux is one (if not THE) Operating System that can hold the functionality of an Internet Router, Gateway, Firewall, misc. Networking abilities and even more in a literally tiny amount of RAM, that wouldn't even allow Windows to load anything useful.

Many dedicated Mini-Linux Distributions are running from a standard Floppy, or even completely as a Disk-less System. Now try that with Windows, let alone the available Software base able to still run in such configurations...

Apart from a few, recent, full-blown Software Packages, it is known and highly praised for it's efficiency, and ability to run even on minimal Hardware.

In many places, it allows to boldly go where Windows have never been seen working (due to above reasons).
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But what am I talking, the presence of year-old, long known facts (remember : basics) never has seemed to affect your somewhat clouded Opinions Roll Eyes


Since so far, almost noone seems to care about this deficiency (seen on a Democratic level, more even seem to support your sometimes weird statements ?!), I shall leave it at stating my personal Opinion...  Tongue

Odd... just very very odd....
Actually, I don't have time for this.
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